1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    28 Feb '15 22:27
    Can the Governments giving be called charity or is it something else?
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    28 Feb '15 22:37
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Can the Governments giving be called charity or is it something else?
    Why? What would the "Christian Right" like to call it?

    Doesn't matter, it'll be back to "Charitable Christian Giving" once the Republicans hit the White House, I suppose.
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    28 Feb '15 22:43
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Why? What would the "Christian Right" like to call it?

    Doesn't matter, it'll be back to "Charitable Christian Giving" once the Republicans hit the White House, I suppose.
    KellyJay's question is a good one and deserves a better response from you.
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    28 Feb '15 22:46
    Originally posted by FMF
    KellyJay's question is a good one and deserves a better response from you.
    That's pretty rich, coming from you.
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    28 Feb '15 22:46
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Can the Governments giving be called charity or is it something else?
    I can see how the "charity" of individuals ~ its voluntary nature, the selection of recipients or causes, how much is allocated ~ is not the same "charity" as the "charity" orchestrated by society through its elected representatives, but if it is intended to alleviate deprivation or poverty or want of some kind, then the word "charity" is the right one.
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    28 Feb '15 22:54
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Why? What would the "Christian Right" like to call it?

    Doesn't matter, it'll be back to "Charitable Christian Giving" once the Republicans hit the White House, I suppose.
    As if the was a "Christian Left" 🙄

    The "Christian Left is the "apostate church", the False Church!
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    28 Feb '15 23:07
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Why? What would the "Christian Right" like to call it?

    Doesn't matter, it'll be back to "Charitable Christian Giving" once the Republicans hit the White House, I suppose.
    So you have no opinion?
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    28 Feb '15 23:08
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    As if the was a "Christian Left" 🙄

    The "Christian Left is the "apostate church", the False Church!
    So you have no opinion either?
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    28 Feb '15 23:09
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    As if the was a "Christian Left" 🙄

    The "Christian Left is the "apostate church", the False Church!
    I think KellyJay's question is an interesting one. Americans fighting with each other about U.S. politics may well be more suited to the Debates Forum.
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    28 Feb '15 23:11
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Why? What would the "Christian Right" like to call it?

    Doesn't matter, it'll be back to "Charitable Christian Giving" once the Republicans hit the White House, I suppose.
    Actually I don't believe any giving by the government no matter who is
    in power can be called Charity since the government takes from one to
    give to another. Charity is when we *you and I* give of our own money
    towards those ends we want to give to, at least in my opinion.

    We can rob from one and give to another the only difference between that
    and what the government does is that the word "law" is involved, the act
    would be the same.
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    28 Feb '15 23:21
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Actually I don't believe any giving by the government no matter who is
    in power can be called Charity since the government takes from one to
    give to another. Charity is when we *you and I* give of our own money
    towards those ends we want to give to, at least in my opinion.

    We can rob from one and give to another the only difference between that
    and what the government does is that the word "law" is involved, the act
    would be the same.
    I disagree. I think the word "charity" is broad enough to cover individual charity funded by personal assets, corporate or institutional charity funded by profits, and charity organized on a societal level and funded by tax.

    I think people can see differences between these kinds of charity and that your expression of your preference for one kind and disapproval of another, while being your prerogative and philosophically understandable, is not served well by you seeming to try to deny charity at the organized societal/communal level exists through some 'vocabulary argument' or 'definition argument'.

    Society is better off, in my view, for having charity at an orchestrated whole-of-society level to tackle things that might otherwise not be addressed by disorganized, uneven or arbitrary decisions by individuals. All three kinds of charity I mentioned are needed.
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    28 Feb '15 23:24
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    We can rob from one and give to another the only difference between that
    and what the government does is that the word "law" is involved, the act
    would be the same.
    Would you claim that 'taxing is robbing' and that 'society helping the poor with communal funds is robbing' are Christianity-inspired stances?
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    28 Feb '15 23:44
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Can the Governments giving be called charity or is it something else?
    Yes, of course it can.

    That's an easy question.
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    28 Feb '15 23:47
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Yes, of course it can.

    That's an easy question.
    Why is that? It isn't that someone is giving and another receiving, as I said
    splitting a robbery spoils does that! If I willing give that is not the
    same as being forced to give so another receives it.
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    28 Feb '15 23:541 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Why is that? It isn't that someone is giving and another receiving, as I said
    splitting a robbery spoils does that!
    How is it "robbery"?
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