Handy Andy's Question on All Liars

Do you believe that the same ultimate punishment awaits "all liars" as well as idolaters and murderers?

English Standard Version
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

New American Standard Bible
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

King James Bible
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

One of the biggest forms of lying which will send a person to hell is lying to himself or herself that one has no sin. If you lie to others that you have no sin that is bad enough. But lying to yourself to the point that you believe your own lie is terrible. This will cause you to end up in hell.

"If we say that we do not have sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us." (1 John 1:8-10)

Though this word in First John chapter 1 is addressed to Christians, it is still very useful to seekers for the truth.

Men can lie to themselves until they actually are self deceived. The person who does not think they are a sinner is not likely to see the need for salvation in Christ. And so rejecting the need to be saved from his sins he will perish in "the second death" of the lake of fire.

Handy Andy, our fallen nature considers lying not important. We may think it is an ordinary sin and not too important. But lying is very common. And the dulled conscience of sinners often thinks it is a little matter to lie.

If lying takes hold of a man's being to the point that he lies to himself that he is not guilty of any sinning, he is in danger of being one of those Revelation 21:8 mentions -

" ... and all the false, their part will be in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8b)

So it is a good place to start by going to Jesus Christ to ask for salvation from lying. And that especially of the self deceiving lie that before the holiness of God one is not full of sins.

Confession of sins to God is also a washing of one's soul in truth.
It is to agree with God - to call a spade a spade and to stop lying about one's self.

Originally posted by sonship
One of the biggest forms of lying which will send a person to hell is lying to himself or herself that one has no sin. If you lie to others that you have no sin that is bad enough. But lying to yourself to the point that you believe your own lie is terrible. This will cause you to end up in hell.

"If we say that we do not have sin, we are deceiving ours ...[text shortened]... ing the need to be saved from his sins he will perish in "the second death" of the lake of fire.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Is it certain liars.. or all liars?

Originally posted by sonship
By that time of the last judgment of the great white throne, lying will have either been eliminated out of human behavior or all the lying ones left will perish.

It is the same with the other representative sins in that list. It is not an exhaustive list. It must be a representative list -

[b]"But the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable ...[text shortened]... saved without and WITHIN from sins of all possible kinds is according to God's eternal purpose.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Who among us has never told a lie? The lake isn't big enough for all of us.

Originally posted by FMF
But those Christians who declare themselves to be 'once saved, always saved' don't have to worry about "sin", do they? Or have I misunderstood the Grampy Bobby/sonship 'Jesus' "work-on-the-cross"/salvation-cannot-be-undone' ideology?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Who among us has never told a lie? The lake isn't big enough for all of us.

Originally posted by sonship
You have misunderstood the plan of salvation.

Would you like to understand? Or would you prefer to remain in your misunderstanding?

Originally posted by FMF
I think I understand your OSAS ideology well enough thanks. You have talked about it in posts addressed directly to me. I will go and dig them out if you go ahead and contradict yourself now. Don't post anything further on this topic on my account.

Originally posted by sonship
There's no contradiction.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
The lake isn't big enough for all of us.

From The Christian a publication with articles by Watchman Nee

Many people, in an attempt to earn a reputation for themselves of being clever and smart, use many deceitful words to cheat others. They may indeed earn a name of being clever and smart. But are they really clever and smart? This is only deceitfulness and craftiness. Most of the people in the world who are clever and smart are actually deceitful and crafty. Moreover, the world realizes that the so-called clever and smart ones are actually deceitful and crafty. They know. They may know better than we do. But they still call these ones clever and smart. Why is this? They accept this lie because they are also used to lying. To someone who lies, a deceitful and crafty person is clever and smart. Oh, how the world excels in lying!

Originally posted by FMF
You have been perfectly clear. I understand your ideology.

By that time of the last judgment of the great white throne, lying will have either been eliminated out of human behavior or all the lying ones left will perish.