22 Mar 11
Originally posted by lauseyI saw that post. It appears to me that the Law quoted therein is the one,word to word, appearing in Manu Smriti which is one of the Hindu Civil Codes of the yore.Yes, Manu Smriti was very much discriminatory and cruel in respect of women as well as in respect of the Shudras who were down at the bottom of the Casteist Hierarchy. Copies of Manu Smriti were burnt by followers of Dr.Ambedkar( a well known Social Reformer and a leading architect of Indian Constitution) in the early and late forties of the last century. Yet Manu Smriti also says that " Where women are idolized,the Gods there abide" !!!
See bbarr's posts in Thread 135383.
The point is what is preached by the Lord Krishna in Gita or Bhagawat which is the basis of ISCKON, is nowhere discriminatory against women. May be Bhaktivedant was guilty of the atrocious saying.If he was,he is to be condemned.
22 Mar 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoyou and twhite are saying the exact thing. this post is redundant
To twhitehead and lausey:-
Both of you are indicating that a set of "good" principles gets eventually corrupted in the hands of Men.
twhitehead is saying that " Christianity" was used to justify apartheid and slavery.
lausey is saying nearly the same thing,which what I was saying namely Christian principles so idealistic and humanitarian cannot be blam ...[text shortened]... t in any Religion to be blamed for wrongdoings of some of the followers of these religions ?
22 Mar 11
Originally posted by Zahlanzitwhitehead had tried to counter my earlier post by saying Christianity was used to justify et al.
you and twhite are saying the exact thing. this post is redundant
I had to point out out his error. Besides there were other points from their posts which needed to be replied. My post is not superfluous.
22 Mar 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoBhaktivedant Prabhupadswamy
Which Religion do you mean that Dasa has embraced which has warped his mind ? Dasa is a Hindu and probably believes in the way of Bhaktivedant Prabhupadswamy's teachings i.e. the teachings followed by ISCKON people. Nothing in that that might warp his mind.
Nobody can believe that teachings of such a flexible and open religion as Hinduism can warp anybody's mind.
My mind warped trying to read that name. 😉
22 Mar 11
Originally posted by josephwYes,it is a tongue twister, is it not ? But so are some German compound nouns ! Sanskrit language allows you to fuse two/more words in a predetermined grammatical manner to make a third etc. word. Prabhupadswamy is three words fused together meaning the Lord of the feet of God making him sort of a king among the Saints.
[b]Bhaktivedant Prabhupadswamy
My mind warped trying to read that name. 😉[/b]
22 Mar 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoNo, I am not. I quite clearly said that the principles themselves were quite clearly in support of racism and slavery. Those are not "good" principles.
To twhitehead and lausey:-
Both of you are indicating that a set of "good" principles gets eventually corrupted in the hands of Men.
twhithead says the OT God was supportive of slavery and racism. He surely means the people living at the time of Old Testament/people who have written Old Testament were in support of slavery and racism. Why drag the concept of God in these things ?
Because its a religion of course. Why else would anyone care what the ancient Jews believed regarding slavery and racism? I mentioned God specifically because in the OT he is reportedly in support of racism and slavery and it is this that his followers of more recent times use to justify their own actions.
Are the idealistic principles which are evident in any Religion to be blamed for wrongdoings of some of the followers of these religions ?
I made it quite clear that it was not the idealistic principles to blame but the less than idealistic principles. Most religions include some less than idealistic principles.
22 Mar 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelI am not in this forum to debate.
I just dont know why he comes along and starts all these cut n paste threads, or so many threads of any kind.
All the while leaving other questions unasnwered in other threads or refusing to engage in debates with people who he thinks are "dishonest",etc.
You're not debating much here,(if at all), Dasa, you're are just putting up Vedic philosophy.
...[text shortened]... pirituality, which to me says their minds are not as closed as you would have make out.
I have no interest in debating.
I present truth and expose error, and if some one wants to expand on that with genuine enquiry .....then a discussion can then follow.
Most enquiries are silly and manipulative or of a baiting nature, and I will not continue with that.
22 Mar 11
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Hay! just as you thought he couldn't get any worse, look at what he just said on his
“ Those big bad cheating science people. (more basics) “ thread:
“.... scientists who do not see design are CHILD ABUSERS ...” (my emphasis, his quote)
Unbelievable!
If he hadn’t gone “too far” before then he certainly has gone “too far” this time!
I felt compelled to put the record straight on that one thus going a bit against the advice of this thread (at least this time round).
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23 Mar 11
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Don't feed the troll.
As vishvahetu/dasa's subscription draws to an end, he will become increasingly abusive in an attempt to appear radical and draw more attention to himself.
Those who have attempted to follow his posts will see how his "drama" has progressively increased in recent weeks and his use of language such as "child abusers", "syphilis of brain", "a 7 year old child with cerebral palsy" and "stool eating pigs" for examples are there to catch the eye and draw people in.
He is a fraud and I suggest ignoring him as you would any other troll.
23 Mar 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeodude. he said christianity could be used to justify evil stuff, you said that christianity could be used to justify evil stuff.
twhitehead had tried to counter my earlier post by saying Christianity was used to justify et al.
I had to point out out his error. Besides there were other points from their posts which needed to be replied. My post is not superfluous.
you didn't add something new or disagreed with him. you just reposted his opinion in other words.
23 Mar 11
Originally posted by divegeesteri have been ignoring vishva before it became mainstream
Don't feed the troll.
As vishvahetu/dasa's subscription draws to an end, he will become increasingly abusive in an attempt to appear radical and draw more attention to himself.
Those who have attempted to follow his posts will see how his "drama" has progressively increased in recent weeks and his use of language such as "child abusers", "syphili ...[text shortened]... ple in.
He is a fraud and I suggest ignoring him as you would any other troll.
23 Mar 11
Originally posted by ZahlanziI said that Christianity cannot be blamed for the evil things.Some people professing Christianity or belonging to Christian Religion who were behind the atrocities like apartheid/slavery of Negroes should be blamed. Christianity and Christian people are two different things.Please do read my posts more carefully.
dude. he said christianity could be used to justify evil stuff, you said that christianity could be used to justify evil stuff.
you didn't add something new or disagreed with him. you just reposted his opinion in other words.
I also request you not to use a pejorative term like"dude".Let us address each other like the Gentlemen that we are.