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    21 Mar '11 22:07
    The guy is a troll. Either ignore or alert the posts.
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    21 Mar '11 22:271 edit
    I just dont know why he comes along and starts all these cut n paste threads, or so many threads of any kind.
    All the while leaving other questions unasnwered in other threads or refusing to engage in debates with people who he thinks are "dishonest",etc.

    You're not debating much here,(if at all), Dasa, you're are just putting up Vedic philosophy.
    If people want to read it, then I'm sure it is very easy to find. You promote Vedanta. Ok. We got it already. Repeating it is not doing any good, actually the opposite. As is repeating your biased view od science.
    I know where you are coming from, but to repeatedly call ALL the scientists "cheating" is a very unbalanced view. Especially the "scientists" who frequent this forum. Think about it- they are reading a spirituality forum, so they must be interested in (at least) the views of people into spirituality, which to me says their minds are not as closed as you would have make out.
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    21 Mar '11 23:11
    Originally posted by divegeester
    The guy is a troll. Either ignore or alert the posts.
    But should we?
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    21 Mar '11 23:47
    Originally posted by josephw
    But should we?
    Yes.
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    22 Mar '11 00:09
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Yes.
    Seriously. Do feel offended by Dasa personally? I mean, I realise what a pain it is to read his posts.

    I feel sorry for him. Not because I think he's on the wrong path, but because he doesn't know how to engage in an honest and open debate. How can he? The religion he embraces has warped his mind. He doesn't think so, and that is a disturbing thought.

    Not that I'm all that much.
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    22 Mar '11 00:16
    Originally posted by josephw
    Seriously. Do feel offended by Dasa personally? I mean, I realise what a pain it is to read his posts.

    I feel sorry for him. Not because I think he's on the wrong path, but because he doesn't know how to engage in an honest and open debate. How can he? The religion he embraces has warped his mind. He doesn't think so, and that is a disturbing thought.

    Not that I'm all that much.
    Why feel offended by a troll?
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    22 Mar '11 00:21
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Why feel offended by a troll?
    I began to ignore him for a while once I realised there was no talkin' to em'.

    But then I started goofin' with him for amusement. It doesn't make me feel very Christian, but this forum is just a diversion for me anyway.

    Why not have some fun?!
  8. Standard memberKellyJay
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    22 Mar '11 00:23
    Originally posted by divegeester
    The guy is a troll. Either ignore or alert the posts.
    Who?
    Kelly
  9. Standard memberrvsakhadeo
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    22 Mar '11 09:43
    Originally posted by josephw
    Seriously. Do feel offended by Dasa personally? I mean, I realise what a pain it is to read his posts.

    I feel sorry for him. Not because I think he's on the wrong path, but because he doesn't know how to engage in an honest and open debate. How can he? The religion he embraces has warped his mind. He doesn't think so, and that is a disturbing thought.

    Not that I'm all that much.
    Which Religion do you mean that Dasa has embraced which has warped his mind ? Dasa is a Hindu and probably believes in the way of Bhaktivedant Prabhupadswamy's teachings i.e. the teachings followed by ISCKON people. Nothing in that that might warp his mind.
    Nobody can believe that teachings of such a flexible and open religion as Hinduism can warp anybody's mind.
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    22 Mar '11 09:52
    Originally posted by rvsakhadeo
    Which Religion do you mean that Dasa has embraced which has warped his mind ? Dasa is a Hindu and probably believes in the way of Bhaktivedant Prabhupadswamy's teachings i.e. the teachings followed by ISCKON people. Nothing in that that might warp his mind.
    Nobody can believe that teachings of such a flexible and open religion as Hinduism can warp anybody's mind.
    Nobody can believe that teachings of such a flexible and open religion as Hinduism can warp anybody's mind.

    I disagree. Just look at the caste system.

    Although I will agree that the caste system isn't originally in their scriptures, it still shows that there is plenty of room for corruption within Hinduism.

    Also, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada had questionable views on how to treat women.
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    22 Mar '11 10:14
    Originally posted by lausey
    Nobody can believe that teachings of such a flexible and open religion as Hinduism can warp anybody's mind.

    I disagree. Just look at the caste system.

    Although I will agree that the caste system isn't originally in their scriptures, it still shows that there is plenty of room for corruption within Hinduism.

    Also, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada had questionable views on how to treat women.
    All good things eventually turn bad in the hands of Men. Hindu Religion had caste system as its feature. What was intolerably bad was " Caste-ism" and not Caste System. The original caste set up was not based on birth but decided by the task one took up. One belonged to this or that caste depending on what one did for a living. No caste was higher than any other caste. Things then deteriorated to the extent that not only caste was decided by birth but certain castes were declared "untouchable" ! (Since Independence and in fact even before that as social reformers spread their message of equality, "Casteism" has almost disappeared from India.)Something like the "apartheid" practiced by whites in South Africa till recently or the Slavery practiced in USA not more than 160 years ago. You will not blame Christianity for these inhuman practices would you ?
    I do not know what views Bhaktivedant had about Women.
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    22 Mar '11 10:22
    Originally posted by rvsakhadeo
    All good things eventually turn bad in the hands of Men. Hindu Religion had caste system as its feature. What was intolerably bad was " Caste-ism" and not Caste System. The original caste set up was not based on birth but decided by the task one took up. One belonged to this or that caste depending on what one did for a living. No caste was higher than a ...[text shortened]... e inhuman practices would you ?
    I do not know what views Bhaktivedant had about Women.
    See bbarr's posts in Thread 135383.
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    Also need to add that scriptures can be interpreted in many ways. Certainly the caste system can have origins based on a kind of socialist society. Over the years it got interpreted as a hierarchical caste system. The only reason it disappeared again is because of pressures from humanitarian groups independently from the religion. If it wasn't for these groups, it will still be going on today.
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    22 Mar '11 10:44
    Originally posted by rvsakhadeo
    The original caste set up was not based on birth but decided by the task one took up.
    I have no idea if your statement is true, but I find it interesting here in Africa that people almost invariably want to believe that any given cultural element had a 'good' beginning and was later corrupted. I find this view somewhat naive and believe that many cultural practices were started for selfish or otherwise 'bad' reasons.

    Something like the "apartheid" practiced by whites in South Africa till recently or the Slavery practiced in USA not more than 160 years ago. You will not blame Christianity for these inhuman practices would you ?
    I do not know what views Bhaktivedant had about Women.

    It is always hard to lay blame, but in the cases you cite, Christianity was not only used to justify them, but did not seem to explicitly condemn them. After all, racism and slavery are a strong element in the Old Testament and do seem to be supported by the OT God.
    Certainly, many of the perpetrators in your examples were followers of Christianity.
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    22 Mar '11 11:31
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I have no idea if your statement is true, but I find it interesting here in Africa that people almost invariably want to believe that any given cultural element had a 'good' beginning and was later corrupted. I find this view somewhat naive and believe that many cultural practices were started for selfish or otherwise 'bad' reasons.

    [b]Something like ...[text shortened]... God.
    Certainly, many of the perpetrators in your examples were followers of Christianity.
    To twhitehead and lausey:-
    Both of you are indicating that a set of "good" principles gets eventually corrupted in the hands of Men.
    twhitehead is saying that " Christianity" was used to justify apartheid and slavery.
    lausey is saying nearly the same thing,which what I was saying namely Christian principles so idealistic and humanitarian cannot be blamed for bad practices of certain Christians. twhithead says the OT God was supportive of slavery and racism. He surely means the people living at the time of Old Testament/people who have written Old Testament were in support of slavery and racism. Why drag the concept of God in these things ?Are the idealistic principles which are evident in any Religion to be blamed for wrongdoings of some of the followers of these religions ?
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