Heaven is for Real

Originally posted by RBHILL
It is interesting about the grandpa part and his sister.

Heaven may be a state of mind, not hallucination, but different for each
individual so they have things in a utopia way that fits there wishes but
includes the full truth in doing so. But no one, to him, appeared old, even
his grandpa, for there was no one that appeared to him older than in
their twenties or thirties. But as I recall he was only 4 or 5 when this
happened and he can not remember everything as well now.

I have heard of other "near-death" cases were the people were grown
and they said they could see their body being worked on by the
doctors and nurses as if it was someone else and be able to see things
happening outside the hospital, such as seeing a shoe on the roof of
the hospital. And the shoe was found there later. They did not
actually make it to heaven but just went toward a light before they
were revived.

P.S. That is great-grandpa, the one that introduced himself in heaven
instead of grandpa as I had said.

Acts 2:17 ‘AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,’ God says,
‘THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;
AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY,
AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, ...'

Could this be one of these visions?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Acts 2:17 ‘AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,’ God says,
‘THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;
AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY,
AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, ...'

Could this be one of these visions?

You are so deluded.

Originally posted by LemonJello
You are so deluded.

Just asking, since this came to my mind all of a sudden. It certainly
was not an hallucination, so if it is real, it could be a vision and
maybe one of the visions prophecied in Joel and repeated in Acts.

Originally posted by RJHinds
But hallucinating will not account for the little boys knowleged of what
what was going on while he was in the "near death" state. This could
be lies in a conspiracy or real, but not hallucinations.

There are a host of possibilities for how he came to 'know' those things.

And I can't tell which if any are true.

But you don't get to declare that god did it simply because right now the answer for what
happened is 'I don't know'.

Because as I have said before, god doesn't explain anything, and you need evidence for
god to suppose he/she/it/they exist not simply something you can't currently explain.


The fact that this happened to a kid who lives in a very religious family who was indoctrinated
into this faith from birth and constantly surrounded by religious imagery makes it all the more likely
that it was a creation of his brain, and not any outside influence.

It's possible that some of this is (subconscious) cold reading after the fact.

The main point is, people are fallible, especially when ill/stressed/drugged and eyewitness testimony
is not valid scientific evidence.

Originally posted by jaywill
Brother, this was JUNK. Sorry to say.

I could not finish the video after they made the comment about people in heaven with wings. And the kid had little wings ? Junk food.

This was religious JUNK FOOD not worthy of a serious seeker of the truth like yourself. I would not dare pass this sensational hype on to any thinking seeker of God today, much less to the skeptical types that frequent this Forum.

I have to agree. RJH sometimes doesn't have a solid view of things like this. I know he believes that Jesus or whatever name he uses is still a man in the flesh somewhere living in heaven. A little hard as space or heaven cannot supprot life as we know it. Plus the Bible cleary says that flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven. So he's got his own opinion going on this.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54
New Life Version (NLV)

50 Christian brothers, our bodies which are made of flesh and blood will not go into the holy nation of God. That which dies can have no part in that which will never die. 51 For sure, I am telling you a secret. We will not all die, but we will all be changed. 52 In a very short time, no longer than it takes for the eye to close and open, the Christians who have died will be raised. It will happen when the last horn sounds. The dead will be raised never to die again. Then the rest of us who are alive will be changed. 53 Our human bodies made from dust must be changed into a body that cannot be destroyed. Our human bodies that can die must be changed into bodies that will never die. 54 When this that can be destroyed has been changed into that which cannot be destroyed, and when this that does die has been changed into that which cannot die, then it will happen as the Holy Writings said it would happen. They said, “Death has no more power over life.”

Originally posted by googlefudge
There are a host of possibilities for how he came to 'know' those things.

And I can't tell which if any are true.

But you don't get to declare that god did it simply because right now the answer for what
happened is 'I don't know'.

Because as I have said before, god doesn't explain anything, and you need evidence for
god to suppose he/she/it ...[text shortened]... when ill/stressed/drugged and eyewitness testimony
is not valid scientific evidence.

It is my understanding that science is not science without eyewitness
testimony. Science requires observation and testing and eyewitnesses
to report on the observations and testing doesn't it? Or maybe you
know of a different kind of science that just has to declare that all
creatures descended from a common ancestor and no observation
or testing is involved, so there would be no need for eyewitness
testimony.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is my understanding that science is not science without eyewitness
testimony. Science requires observation and testing and eyewitnesses
to report on the observations and testing doesn't it? Or maybe you
know of a different kind of science that just has to declare that all
creatures descended from a common ancestor and no observation
or testing is involved, so there would be no need for eyewitness
testimony.

No, there is no 'eyewitness testimony' in science.

You demonstrate again that you don't understand science.

Science relies on EVIDENCE.

On experiments, that you can repeat.

Any finding in science can (and is) be replicated by anyone else and get the same result.
Any discovery has to be confirmed by other experimenters before it's considered to be genuine.

A great example of this is the recent discovery of neutrinos appearing to travel faster than light.
The experiment that found this result is being very thoroughly checked to see if any flaw can be
found in it and other groups around the world are setting up repeat experiments to try to repeat
the result. Only if no flaw can be found in the original experiment, AND, other experiments around
the world using different equipment in different locations with different set-ups find the same result
be declared valid. And even then it will continue to be tested further for all time to make sure of it.

This is science in action, experimentation and evidence right at the core.

Originally posted by galveston75
I have to agree. RJH sometimes doesn't have a solid view of things like this. I know he believes that Jesus or whatever name he uses is still a man in the flesh somewhere living in heaven. A little hard as space or heaven cannot supprot life as we know it. Plus the Bible cleary says that flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven. So he's got his own opinion ...[text shortened]... pen as the Holy Writings said it would happen. They said, “Death has no more power over life.”

Even if Jesus was flesh he could live in heaven or space whatever you want to call it.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Even if Jesus was flesh he could live in heaven or space whatever you want to call it.

How could you possibly know that?

Originally posted by googlefudge
No, there is no 'eyewitness testimony' in science.

You demonstrate again that you don't understand science.

Science relies on EVIDENCE.

On experiments, that you can repeat.

Any finding in science can (and is) be replicated by anyone else and get the same result.
Any discovery has to be confirmed by other experimenters before it's considered ...[text shortened]... ke sure of it.

This is science in action, experimentation and evidence right at the core.

We would know nothing about anything you said without someone to
tell us. That is what a witnesses is. Now if they did not see what they
witnessed of, then why should we believe them? Even if we had one
that claimed to be an eye witnesses, we shold not beleive him without
more evidence and another eye witness. I will not believe anything
that claims to be science or religion without eye witness testimony.
Sorry, Spanky. 😏

Originally posted by googlefudge
How could you possibly know that?

Well if he is like God why not?

Originally posted by RBHILL
Well if he is like God why not?

He is not like God, He is God. That is why He is called the Son of God.
And He sits on the throne in heaven at the right hand of God the Father.

Originally posted by googlefudge
How could you possibly know that?

The Bible tells me so.\\

YouTube

Originally posted by RBHILL
Well if he is like God why not?

You have no evidence for the existence of god, slim evidence for the existence of JC, and
no evidence of JC's divinity.

You are asserting something as true without any possible way of knowing if it were true.

You can't even demonstrate god's existence, let alone any properties god might have.