Heaven or earth?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
clearly you need to read the scripture in its immediate context.

(2 Peter 3:5-10) . . .For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that
[b]there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water
and in the midst of water by the word of God;  and by those means the world of that
time suffered destruction[ ...[text shortened]... e literal
heavens and earth, but to the destruction of ungodly men. Oh and its not a mystery.

Keep quessing.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Keep quessing.

try reading the text, who knows, perhaps you may actually learn something.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
try reading the text, who knows, perhaps you may actually learn something.

You give up, then?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You give up, then?

give up on a hopeless sinner like you? no way , you need every scrap of scripture you can get.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
give up on a hopeless sinner like you? no way , you need every scrap of scripture you can get.

LOL, classic....nice reply....I have to remember this one.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Compared to God Himself, no I don't think they are that important.
Kelly

I would tend to agree. I base it on: Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all of these things shall be added unto you. (Matthew 6:33)

The context is to be a part of the kingdom and find your place in it, work for it, experience it, and all other things come to you, you won't have to search for them. Of course many will have different opinions on what the kingdom is.

Originally posted by KellyJay
LOL, classic....nice reply....I have to remember this one.
Kelly

its actually a take on Robert Louise Stevenson's treasure island, where, when Long John Silver is handed the black spot, he sees that it is written on a page from the bible, he states that no good will come of it and that it poor unworthy pirates like them could do with every scrap of scripture then can get.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its actually a take on Robert Louise Stevenson's treasure island, where, when Long John Silver is handed the black spot, he sees that it is written on a page from the bible, he states that no good will come of it and that it poor unworthy pirates like them could do with every scrap of scripture then can get.

So I was not far off with saying, classic? 🙂
Kelly

Originally posted by Doward
I would tend to agree. I base it on: Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all of these things shall be added unto you. (Matthew 6:33)

The context is to be a part of the kingdom and find your place in it, work for it, experience it, and all other things come to you, you won't have to search for them. Of course many will have different opinions on what the kingdom is.

I agree with you 100% here! There are a lot of things I think we do that are not
needed and tend to get into the way when they shouldn't. What do you make
of Hebrews 4 the full chapter?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
So I was not far off with saying, classic? 🙂
Kelly

yup! an excellent read! 🙂

Originally posted by Doward
I would tend to agree. I base it on: Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all of these things shall be added unto you. (Matthew 6:33)

The context is to be a part of the kingdom and find your place in it, work for it, experience it, and all other things come to you, you won't have to search for them. Of course many will have different opinions on what the kingdom is.

No one said God is not the most important thing. Not by a long shot. All that's being said here is God in his love for us not only allowed his son to give his life for us to gain life and not die either with the chance to go to heaven or to live here on the earth as God originally planned. There is nothing wrong as humans to want a better life where there is no sickness, crime, starvation, death, etc, etc.
Sure we all want to serve God and put him first but we are also humans and desire for things to get better.
So for ones on this planet who do not know God and these plans and have hope of a better way to live now and to know there is hope for the future on this planet, they need to know these things. And in turn for knowing them we need to show our love and appreciation to God for that hope for the future.
If you did not know God and what he has planned for the future, would you not want to know these things?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agree with you 100% here! There are a lot of things I think we do that are not
needed and tend to get into the way when they shouldn't. What do you make
of Hebrews 4 the full chapter?
Kelly

Hebrews itself is a wonderful work of apologetics. The way it is written does easily lend itself to being divided into chapters. I think the author meant for the book to be read as a whole.

The 4th chapter talks about entering into God's Sabbath or shabbat. I think as Christians we might have a tendancy to misinterpret that phrase. The Jews looked at Shabbat much differntly than we do. It wasn't simply a day of rest, or ceasing from work it was also messianic, liberation and an opportunity to reflect on creation. Modern Christians so far removed from Judaic traditions might interpret this as an opportunity to disregard there obligations to God.

Hebrews is about the Christ being our shabbat, our rest from the cares of the world, our liberation, our creation and our sustainer. If anything it binds us more tightly to worship and obediance. Others may see it differently.