Originally posted by SwissGambit
Mind control doesn\'t work on me. Sorry.
Don\'t you xian fundies ever get tired of this same old theology?
- It\'s not a \'gift\' if it must be accepted on pain of eternal torture.
- It doesn\'t make sense to stake someone\'s eternal soul on the asking of one silly question.
- It\'s not impressive that Jesus \'died\' for us when he knew full well h ...[text shortened]... the fore-known result of his design and creation of human beings.
Okay lets go waywayway back here...
God never intended for anyone to go to hell. Originally, he created us perfect, and he created the world perfect. Again, look at the beginning of Genesis as God says that the world was created 'Good'. In the very beginning, God actually walked with man and held conversations with him. God gave them knowledge of only good, and gave them only one rule, and that was that they could not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
The two humans on earth at the time were doing fine with this, until God's enemy, Satan, took on the form of a serpant and appeared to the woman. Satan persuaded the woman that if she ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, that she would have knowledge like God. The woman thought that this made sense, broke the rule, and ate the fruit. Chomp chomp, sin. She then told the man on earth at the time that this fruit really did give her more knowledge, and since there was only one female on earth at the time and he really didn't want to get on her bad side, the man ate the fruit also.
This fruit gave all humans the knowledge of Evil. So now they could do things for good intentions or for evil intentions.
This is where God, as you say, becomes a 'morbid, twisted, sick god'. God is perfect, and he expected perfectness from humans from the beginning. If anybody ever sinned, they weren't perfect as far as God was concerned. However, even though no human could ever measure up to God's standard again, he loved us enough to make it possible for us to still be in heaven with him instead of in hell where we will be tormented by demons and be dry and thirsty all the time.
I think that it's very generous of God to provide an alternative to hell.
Also, Jesus died to prove to us that he was God's son, not because he knew that he would rise again in three days.
Take it or leave it, God sent his son to earth to die for our sins and to rise again on the third day to prove it.
If what you say is true, and if God is sick and twisted, then either we are all doomed to hell, or we are all going to heaven, or we come back to earth as some other life form, or whatever.
If the Bible is right, and the only way to escape hell is by believing in Jesus and going to heaven, then those who believe that will go to heaven.
Either way, I win or break even. For you, you will either break even or lose. The Bible says that both heaven and hell are for eternity.