Originally posted by RJHindsHere is the reference for Christ saying he never knew them:
Jesus said that He never knew them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: (Matthew 7:21-24 KJV)
It applies to those who did not follow his commandments, and those who accepted him with their mouth .. like saying Lord Lord with your mouth and not changing your heart.
FMF was probably tired of hypocritical Christians and moved on. You do not know anything about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.
Originally posted by Rajk999
Here is the reference for Christ saying he never knew them:
[i]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many won ...[text shortened]... ing about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.
FMF was probably tired of hypocritical Christians and moved on. You do not know anything about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.
We don't know because he will not tell us, even though we asked him questions about it.
Originally posted by RJHindsI have been talking about it and starting threads about it for more than half a decade here. If you seriously cannot deduce what spiritual and intellectual 'objections' I have to the claims that Christians make about Jesus from what may be 10,000 or more posts that I have written on this forum on a whole range of Christianity related subjects, including probably 100s of thread topics that I initiated, then so be it.
We don't know because he will not tell us, even though we asked him questions about it.
Originally posted by FMFThat was not what we were referring to, my little man.
I have been talking about it and starting threads about it for more than half a decade here. If you seriously cannot deduce what spiritual and intellectual 'objections' I have to the claims that Christians make about Jesus from what may be 10,000 or more posts that I have written on this forum on a whole range of Christianity related subjects, including probably 100s of thread topics that I initiated, then so be it.
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Originally posted by RJHindsAnd that is a good thing.
Yeah, I can tell that.
The big problem here is your alleged god being a know all being would have known before people were born if they were destined for you hell. So the fact these people exist must mean this god has forced destiny in those people and they are being repurposed to hell for some reason we could never know about since we could never deduce the motives of such a being so it would be playing at a game beyond human understanding and as such not worthy of being the object of worship but rather a being to be avoided at all cost.
For instance, the concept of hell could just be a ruse and just taking these people to populate another universe for some reason or other. There is no way for us to tell if there is such a place as hell.
Originally posted by sonhouseGod has programmed us with free will. It is up to us as to to choose to receive everlasting life or everlasting torment by our actions. We only know somethings, like hell, by revelation from God.
And that is a good thing.
The big problem here is your alleged god being a know all being would have known before people were born if they were destined for you hell. So the fact these people exist must mean this god has forced destiny in those people and they are being repurposed to hell for some reason we could never know about since we could never ded ...[text shortened]... verse for some reason or other. There is no way for us to tell if there is such a place as hell.
Originally posted by RJHindsThe problem there is your god would have known which person will go which way with the free will thing. It knows in advance who is going to hell if your assinine story is true. So the fact it created them at all says it is not a loving god at all but a cosmic level cruel one.
God has programmed us with free will. It is up to us as to to choose to receive everlasting life or everlasting torment by our actions. We only know somethings, like hell, by revelation from God.
You cannot deny it knew before they were born which person was destined for hell. Otherwise it would not have been the all knowing being projected by your bible.
A god to avoid at all costs.
Originally posted by sonhouseYou are missing the point. The point is not what God knows, but that God gave man free will to choose life or death. What God knows is irrelevant to that.
The problem there is your god would have known which person will go which way with the free will thing. It knows in advance who is going to hell if your assinine story is true. So the fact it created them at all says it is not a loving god at all but a cosmic level cruel one.
You cannot deny it knew before they were born which person was destined for he ...[text shortened]... ld not have been the all knowing being projected by your bible.
A god to avoid at all costs.
Originally posted by RJHindsIt is not for YOU to know or decide who is a Christian.FMF was probably tired of hypocritical Christians and moved on. You do not know anything about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.
We don't know because he will not tell us, even though we asked him questions about it.
Why do you people take such things upon yourselves.
A man says he is Christian .. you say OK
A man says he is not ,,, OK
A man says he used to be one .. OK.
What is so hard about that.
Originally posted by Rajk999It's hard to explain to you how much of the scripture you leave out of your arguments, but the scripture clearly teaches us what a Christian believes. That belief is expressed in what comes out of the mouth.
It is not for YOU to know or decide who is a Christian.
Why do you people take such things upon yourselves.
A man says he is Christian .. you say OK
A man says he is not ,,, OK
A man says he used to be one .. OK.
What is so hard about that.
For example: you say that a Christian is a Christian because of what he does, i.e. follow the commands of Jesus.
You yourself have prescribed what it takes to be a Christian. Now you have the nerve to question someone else's prescribed idea of what it takes to be a Christian.
Hypocrisy
Originally posted by josephwYes I can tell what it takes to follow Christ.
It's hard to explain to you how much of the scripture you leave out of your arguments, but the scripture clearly teaches us what a Christian believes. That belief is expressed in what comes out of the mouth.
For example: you say that a Christian is a Christian because of what he does, i.e. follow the commands of Jesus.
You yourself have prescribed wha ...[text shortened]... erve to question someone else's prescribed idea of what it takes to be a Christian.
Hypocrisy
BUT . BUT...
I never ask anyone, neither am I ever interested in whether or not they actually follow Christ or if they are Christian.
KJ and Hinds maybe, are trying to decide if FMF once was, is now, ever was etc etc ... a Christian. I dont do that.
I doubt you will understand the difference.