-Removed-I'm not "painting" I am declaring and demonstrating through examples I gave earlier how your views on certain issues are extreme. I don't expect you to agree.
You took something I said, changed it to mean something quite different
and when I corrected you, you ignored me. I'd call that painting, it most
certainly isn't accepting what I tell you!
Kelly
Most of this debate revolves around Revelation 20:10...If Revelation 20:10 is coming to your mind as an apparent contradiction, that’s great—it should. It speaks of the Devil and a couple of his henchman being thrown in the lake of fire and being “tormented day and night forever and ever.” However, the Bible was not written in English, and when we dig a bit deeper, we see that “forever and ever” in the Greek is more accurately “for ages unto ages.” In keeping with God’s decree in Genesis 3:15 that Jesus would eventually “crush the head” of the Devil (that is, destroy him), Ezekiel 28:18 declares that the Devil will be “brought to ashes.”
Furthermore, John 3:16 promises eternal life to those who believe, while the rest will perish, die, cease to exist.
It seems to me a person would need eternal life to burn forever.
1 John 5:12-13
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
NKJV
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Most of this debate revolves around Revelation 20:10...If Revelation 20:10 is coming to your mind as an apparent contradiction, that’s great—it should. It speaks of the Devil and a couple of his henchman being thrown in the lake of fire and being “tormented day and night forever and ever.”
When we look at the word eternal we see that in certain places it is set in opposite contrast to something temporary or momentary. That which lasts without end is set in contrast to that which is of time with termination.
1.) "While we look not at the things which are seen but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal, [lasting but for a time] but the things which are not seen are ETERNAL." (2 Cor. 4:18)
2.)"For we know if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, ETERNAL in the heavens." (2 Cor. 5:1)
3.) "For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever, not as a servant, but above a servant, a beloved brother." (Philem. 15)
That which is temporary, for a season, and momentary expresses TIME which is bounded. In contrast to these is "eternal" or "for ever".
Reasonings that "eternal" ALSO means temporary when it comes to "eternal punishment" (Matt. 25:46) or "eternal God" (Romans 16:26) are not reliable.
Originally posted by sonshipI suggest that perhaps you are using these verses out of context. Perish means perish, nothing "eternal" involved here.Most of this debate revolves around Revelation 20:10...If Revelation 20:10 is coming to your mind as an apparent contradiction, that’s great—it should. It speaks of the Devil and a couple of his henchman being thrown in the lake of fire and being “tormented day and night forever and ever.”
When we look at the word [b]eternal we see t ...[text shortened]... ]"eternal punishment" (Matt. 25:46)[/b] or "eternal God" (Romans 16:26) are not reliable.[/b]
Your assumption is based on Greek Mythology of the "eternal soul" which is also not found in scripture.
Soul is merely breath life, when it is gone, it is gone. It ceases to exist. Animals have a soul, breath life. Do they go on "living after death" as well?
Believers are the only humans given eternal life at the new birth. Even then, it is their spirit, God's gift of holy spirit that lives forever, with a new body, of course.
Originally posted by sonshipThe Bible says a couple dozen times that the punishment for sin is death, never is torment the word used. I guess your 'Book of Lee" says something differentMost of this debate revolves around Revelation 20:10...If Revelation 20:10 is coming to your mind as an apparent contradiction, that’s great—it should. It speaks of the Devil and a couple of his henchman being thrown in the lake of fire and being “tormented day and night forever and ever.”
When we look at the word [b]eternal we see t ...[text shortened]... ]"eternal punishment" (Matt. 25:46)[/b] or "eternal God" (Romans 16:26) are not reliable.[/b]
Torment is only prescribed for Satan/Devil and his followers.
Originally posted by checkbaiterI would agree with most of that except the Bible and Christ in particular noted that there was a difference between body and soul. The soul or the life force goes back to God from whence it came. Hence you cannot say it ceases to exist. God will then decide how and when to deal with that soul. Certainly death of the soul is the eventual end to those who are unworthy of eternal life.
I suggest that perhaps you are using these verses out of context. Perish means perish, nothing "eternal" involved here.
Your assumption is based on Greek Mythology of the "eternal soul" which is also not found in scripture.
Soul is merely breath life, when it is gone, it is gone. It ceases to exist. Animals have a soul, breath life. Do they go on "liv ...[text shortened]... n, it is their spirit, God's gift of holy spirit that lives forever, with a new body, of course.
Originally posted by Rajk999You can believe whatever you want, my bible says the spirit go's back to God.
I would agree with most of that except the Bible and Christ in particular noted that there was a difference between body and soul. The soul or the life force goes back to God from whence it came. Hence you cannot say it ceases to exist. God will then decide how and when to deal with that soul. Certainly death of the soul is the eventual end to those who are unworthy of eternal life.
-Removed-Everyone whose names are not in the book of life will be cast into the lake
of fire. What happens there is debatable personally, I think they will be
there forever, since those that are saved by Christ live forever, not liking
that idea isn't an argument against it, so in my opinion they are there
forever.
Kelly
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-Removed-Death is usually defined as the loss of life. Death does not have to mean complete annihilation. There are many things that are considered dead, but remain in existence. We make houses from dead trees. A rock is dead and exists, and therefore, some evolutionists believe it can come to life.