22 May 06
Sophie is 5 years old this year.
In 2003, a car crashed into her child care centre and burst in to flame.
Sophie lost both feet, as well as fingers and suffered third degree burns to 85% of her body.
On 5 May this year, she was being pushed in a stroller when another car hit her.
Sophie was thrown 18 metres by the impact, sufferring head, facial, chest and leg injuries.
You're a fool if you believe in god. You may as well believe in Allah.
What can be so wrong with having a holy jihad ?
22 May 06
Originally posted by STANGHow can there be a God?
Sophie is 5 years old this year.
In 2003, a car crashed into her child care centre and burst in to flame.
Sophie lost both feet, as well as fingers and suffered third degree burns to 85% of her body.
On 5 May this year, she was being pushed in a stroller when another car hit her.
Sophie was thrown 18 metres by the impact, sufferring head, facial, c ...[text shortened]... ve in god. You may as well believe in Allah.
What can be so wrong with having a holy jihad ?
You're back. There must be a God.
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22 May 06
Originally posted by STANGAs far as I understand, the Muslims consider Allah to be God.
You're a fool if you believe in god. You may as well believe in Allah.
What can be so wrong with having a holy jihad ?
And from what I know, most Muslisms are against a holy Jihad.
22 May 06
Originally posted by STANGGod works in mysterious ways, STANG. You're not allowing theistic belief to work as intended: you'll only sleep more soundly at night if you forgo all rational thought. Remember: nihilism is the only alternative. So be vigilant about keeping your belief-building standards low. Don't think! Just believe, for God's sake.
Sophie is 5 years old this year.
In 2003, a car crashed into her child care centre and burst in to flame.
Sophie lost both feet, as well as fingers and suffered third degree burns to 85% of her body.
On 5 May this year, she was being pushed in a stroller when another car hit her.
Sophie was thrown 18 metres by the impact, sufferring head, facial, c ...[text shortened]... ve in god. You may as well believe in Allah.
What can be so wrong with having a holy jihad ?
22 May 06
Originally posted by STANGBefore I start let me say that this is not intended to be a trite or easy solution to this thorny issue and I am not attempting to deny or downplay the suffering here. However , I still expect some heated responses.
Sophie is 5 years old this year.
In 2003, a car crashed into her child care centre and burst in to flame.
Sophie lost both feet, as well as fingers and suffered third degree burns to 85% of her body.
On 5 May this year, she was being pushed in a stroller when another car hit her.
Sophie was thrown 18 metres by the impact, sufferring head, facial, c ...[text shortened]... ve in god. You may as well believe in Allah.
What can be so wrong with having a holy jihad ?
And what will happen to Sophie in the end ? If her soul is ressurected and her life is raised to eternal life that might make her shout for joy in heaven "I'm glad I was created, my suffering was terrible but if I had to go through it all again to get here I would" would that change anything.? If God said he wasn't ever going to "wipe the tears from our eyes" and redeem the world . If he had never offered his own body to us to suffer in agony and die alongside us. If he had never promised to be with us every step of the way , every minute of our life , suffering with us along the way.....if God had not done any of these things...then it would be game set and match...God is dead...nowhere to go but Atheism...but he has....it's not a complete answer by any means and it's not very palatable......doesn't leave you with a rosy glow or make you think her suffering is Ok...but within Christianity there is an answer...it's just an incredibly difficult one.
If anything it shows how Christianity has to be the way compared to other faiths. In no other faith does God meet our suffering head on with his own suffering. In no other faith does God show explicitly that he knows what it is to feel scared , vulnerable , hung out on a tree that he knows what it is to die and suffer as a human. In no other faith does God offer to be alongside our suffering , weeping with us through the presence of his Spirit. In no other faith can God say , I've been there , I know grief , anger , suffering, even death itself and I know it in a human way ..I'm with you all the way into the void and beyond....
22 May 06
Originally posted by Conrau KMy point is that you may as well believe in anything ... and forgive people who believe in holy jihad's ... at least work to resolve differences through anything other than violence ... which only leads to more violence.
As far as I understand, the Muslims consider Allah to be God.
And from what I know, most Muslisms are against a holy Jihad.
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22 May 06
Originally posted by STANGWho knows, maybe God planted Satan among us to promote reason and education so that we might become atheists and be sent to hell.
My point is that you may as well believe in anything ... and forgive people who believe in holy jihad's ... at least work to resolve differences through anything other than violence ... which only leads to more violence.
22 May 06
Originally posted by knightmeisterI don't agree.
In no other faith does God offer to be alongside our suffering , weeping with us through the presence of his Spirit. In no other faith can God say , I've been there , I know grief , anger , suffering, even death itself and I know it in a human way
A god could be absolutely certain if there was life after death.
I believe that no human could be that certain.
A god could not know what it is like to be human faced with death.
A god also could not know what it is like to be the loved one of a human faced with death.
Yet a god supposedly created us. What type of devil must be that god ?
22 May 06
I don't think this is a valid argument however compelling it seems.
It would be arrogant of us to project our own sense of justice onto any particular god. Therefore, just because we think something is horribly unjust doesn't mean that it actually is. I would have thought that god could have a purpose much greater than we could imagine that required this poor girl to go through what she did.
On the other hand, I believe the Christians tell us that we are made in Gods image. If this means that our thought processes are similar to god's then this story would seem to suggest that he is as much a sinner as we are which would sort of make sense.