@ghost-of-a-duke saidGod tells us a lot of things not to do that He does because He is God and we are not. The thing about original sin is we are children of Adam, and he sinned, and not any different than we pick up our physical body traits from our fathers and mothers we also get all of our immaterial traits as well consciousness, intellect, and so on. Adam has a sinful nature we get that as sons of Adam. His children will never be born sinless, but will all have a fallen nature, it is why as Jesus said, "We must be born again." We are either born of sons of Adam from below or are born again from above through Christ.
Deut:24:16 tells us that children don’t bear the sins of their fathers:
“Fathers are not to be put to death for their children or children for their fathers; each person will be put to death for his own sin."
How do we balance this with the whole original sin nonsense?
Edit: When it comes to finding contradictions and errors in the Bible it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
I don't care how religious you are without being born of God you are nothing more than a son of Adam in your sins. No matter the works you are doing or the pious life you live, without Jesus Christ you are just a very religious sinner.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWeak or strong, you have them running away not saying anything till when, the rest of their lives, or when they deliver the message they were told to?
A really weak reply to be honest Kelly. Really weak.
@kellyjay saidSo your god deliberated created someone with a sinful nature and now wants to hold all of humanity responsible for his deliberately creating someone with a sinful nature . Your god needs to take responsibility for his actions and not pass it off to his creation with a sinful nature .
God tells us a lot of things not to do that He does because He is God and we are not. The thing about original sin is we are children of Adam, and he sinned, and not any different than we pick up our physical body traits from our fathers and mothers we also get all of our immaterial traits as well consciousness, intellect, and so on. Adam has a sinful nature we get that as ...[text shortened]... you are doing or the pious life you live, without Jesus Christ you are just a very religious sinner.
@kellyjay saidAdam was allegorical. You get that right?
God tells us a lot of things not to do that He does because He is God and we are not. The thing about original sin is we are children of Adam, and he sinned, and not any different than we pick up our physical body traits from our fathers and mothers we also get all of our immaterial traits as well consciousness, intellect, and so on. Adam has a sinful nature we get that as ...[text shortened]... you are doing or the pious life you live, without Jesus Christ you are just a very religious sinner.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSeven of King Sauls grandsons were hung because of his sins. This was decreed by God through David. So thats also a contradiction.
Deut:24:16 tells us that children don’t bear the sins of their fathers:
“Fathers are not to be put to death for their children or children for their fathers; each person will be put to death for his own sin."
How do we balance this with the whole original sin nonsense?
Edit: When it comes to finding contradictions and errors in the Bible it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
@kellyjay saidYou really do not know your bible, and continue to make yourself look stupid over and over, with your ignorance and your pointless insults.
Deciever, care to quote the context of your claim?
Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; and the children of Israel had sworn unto them: and Saul sought to slay them in his zeal to the children of Israel and Judah.) Wherefore David said unto the Gibeonites, What shall I do for you? and wherewith shall I make the atonement, that ye may bless the inheritance of the LORD? And the Gibeonites said unto him, We will have no silver nor gold of Saul, nor of his house; neither for us shalt thou kill any man in Israel. And he said, What ye shall say, that will I do for you. And they answered the king, The man that consumed us, and that devised against us that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the coasts of Israel, Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD did choose. And the king said, I will give them. But the king spared Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan the son of Saul, because of the LORD'S oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite: And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. (2 Samuel 21:1-9 KJV)
Got it? God told David who to choose to be hanged for the sins of their grandfather King Saul.
You are a moron Who is the deceiver that is trying to get people to worship the bible. The bible is not a book to be worshipped, and it has mistakes and errors and contradictions.
Christians are supposed to worship God and keep the commandments. Instead fools like you put faith in your crooked church and greedy pastors and promote a bunch of false doctrines misleading the gullible.
@rajk999 saidYes, but you said God told David to Kill them, where is that in the text? It was the Gibeonites not God that said to kill Saul's sons.
You really do not know your bible, and continue to make yourself look stupid over and over, with your ignorance and your pointless insults.
[i]Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. And the king called ...[text shortened]... ur crooked church and greedy pastors and promote a bunch of false doctrines misleading the gullible.
@kellyjay saidSo God apparently does not believe that children must pay for their fathers sins. Yet when David consulted with God about the famine, God said that it was because of Saul's sins. So Saul sinned. Saul died, and God sent a famine. Therefore sons and paying for fathers [Saul] sins.
Yes, but you said God told David to Kill them, where is that in the text? It was the Gibeonites not God that said to kill Saul's sons.
Then the Gibeonites wanted to kill some of Sauls sons in revenge. David gave them 7 grandsons to hang BEFORE GOD .. that means human sacrifice. God then lifted the famine.
So one passage says sons must not pay for the fathers sins, and vice versa. Yet God punishes people with famine for Sauls sins, and removes the famine when sons are killed for the grandfathers sins.
If you cannot see the contradiction then you really need help.
@KellyJay
“Fathers are not to be put to death for their children or children for their fathers; each person will be put to death for his own sin." (Deut:24:16)
'for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me.' (Exodus 20:5)
Crazy stuff.
@rajk999 saidDeciever, stop lying.
So God apparently does not believe that children must pay for their fathers sins. Yet when David consulted with God about the famine, God said that it was because of Saul's sins. So Saul sinned. Saul died, and God sent a famine. Therefore sons and paying for fathers [Saul] sins.
Then the Gibeonites wanted to kill some of Sauls sons in revenge. David gave them 7 grandsons ...[text shortened]... killed for the grandfathers sins.
If you cannot see the contradiction then you really need help.