How Do You Explain This Error

@moonbus said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

In fairness to the religions of the Book, neither did the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses lead by example.

Gods and tyrants seldom do.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
He sent bears to rip children to pieces.

Every single life will end one way or another, you can look at the circumstances that they all occur in and pick your favorite ones that you deem an appropriate way to die if you like. None of us can do things dangerous and expect nothing at all to happen, they were belittling a prophet and he cursed them and they died. Even a child is known for their actions and their actions got them killed.

@kellyjay said
Every single life will end one way or another, you can look at the circumstances that they all occur in and pick your favorite ones that you deem an appropriate way to die if you like. None of us can do things dangerous and expect nothing at all to happen, they were belittling a prophet and he cursed them and they died. Even a child is known for their actions and their actions got them killed.

Not merely killed Kelly. Ripped to pieces by divinely sent bears.

To speak frankly, I find it extremely repellent when you use the 'every life will end sooner or later' argument when confronted with the monstrous deaths at the hands of your chosen deity.

If a child mocked a priest would you judge it okay for that child's parent to have them killed, bearing in mind all life ends sooner or later anyway? Why is this moral standard any different with it comes to God? Again, why isn't your God a role model ?

@moonbus said
Chronicles, composed during the Second Temple, is of late origin; there are citations in the book of Chronicles from prophets such as First Zechariah and Malachi who prophesied in the Persian period (both dated in the late sixth century BCE), so pretty clear dates there. Chronicles is held to be based on Kings. Kings is of older composition and is held by many biblical schola ...[text shortened]... vented) ideological foundations for particular family/political dynasties, and they make more sense.

Good point.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Not merely killed Kelly. Ripped to pieces by divinely sent bears.

To speak frankly, I find it extremely repellent when you use the 'every life will end sooner or later' argument when confronted with the monstrous deaths at the hands of your chosen deity.

If a child mocked a priest would you judge it okay for that child's parent to have them killed, bearing in m ...[text shortened]... is this moral standard any different with it comes to God? Again, why isn't your God a role model ?

Yes, and still we all die and will do it in a variety of ways, someone promised you that you or anyone else will live a very long life and die peacefully in your sleep?

@kellyjay said
Yes, and still we all die and will do it in a variety of ways, someone promised you that you or anyone else will live a very long life and die peacefully in your sleep?

Yes, yes, life is meaningless as we are all going to die sometime. What does it matter if we are ripped to pieces by bears. We are evil and even when we try to be good our actions still fall short. We should therefore do nothing with this worthless life and our worthless actions and care not how people die, bearing in mind death will come for us all anyway.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Not merely killed Kelly. Ripped to pieces by divinely sent bears.

To speak frankly, I find it extremely repellent when you use the 'every life will end sooner or later' argument when confronted with the monstrous deaths at the hands of your chosen deity.

If a child mocked a priest would you judge it okay for that child's parent to have them killed, bearing in m ...[text shortened]... is this moral standard any different with it comes to God? Again, why isn't your God a role model ?

As a Christian the only worthwhile explanation of that event is that as far as God is concerned there are two types of people - children of God and children of Satan. Children of God naturally resist evil and gravitate to good deeds and righteousness. Such a person would not have harassed any prophet of God. Children of Satan practice evil at a young age. Hence the Jews were told to stone to death disobedient children who refused to change their ways.

Also worth noting that the Greek word for children includes teens and young adults as well. The thing is we see children, while God sees the persons innermost being and their soul. Children or not, an evil person is an evil person and God can see whether or not that child is capable of changing, and we cannot.

There are cases where children commit evil acts including murder and because the law is compassionate [misplaced in my opinion], do not allow the child to face the full consequences. Sometimes this child continues their life of evil into adulthood and only then are the fully prosecuted.

@rajk999 said
Good point.

The ancient Hebrews were ancestor worshippers, so genealogy (especially royal genealogy) mattered to them in a way it doesn't to us. How many years one or another patriarch ruled was less important than the lineage.

My speculation is that the purpose of those particular chapters was: some claimant charged a 'prophet' to insert him into a known lineage in oder to lay claim to rulership over the people of Israel. That would elegantly 'explain' fiddling dates in order to squeeze someone new into the line.

More pedestrianly, it could also simply be a transcription error; one would have look at the Hebrew numerals involved, might be just a missing twiddle from the copyist's MS which flips a digit, an honest copy mistake.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Yes, yes, life is meaningless as we are all going to die sometime. What does it matter if we are ripped to pieces by bears. We are evil and even when we try to be good our actions still fall short. We should therefore do nothing with this worthless life and our worthless actions and care not how people die, bearing in mind death will come for us all anyway.

Life is far from meaningless, it is because it carries a great deal of meaning that good and evil carry great contrasts. The manner of death we all will die isn't as important as what is next, everything about this life will be swallowed up in eternity so the grief and pain we experience will be thought of as nothing. Not much different than we were given shots as babies, the pain and suffering was then and now not thought of at all.

If you believe in nothing after this, what would it matter to how one dies, in the end, its nothing but worms eating your dead body that is all you hope for, all of the hopes and plans end in this life for your worldview.

@rajk999 said
As a Christian the only worthwhile explanation of that event is that as far as God is concerned there are two types of people - children of God and children of Satan. Children of God naturally resist evil and gravitate to good deeds and righteousness. Such a person would not have harassed any prophet of God. Children of Satan practice evil at a young age. Hence the Jews were ...[text shortened]... times this child continues their life of evil into adulthood and only then are the fully prosecuted.

Here we go again with the blaming of your Satan for what your god deliberately created . Your god created your Satan know beforehand what your Satan would do and did it anyway . Not good for your resume , lol. Then your god punished/rewarded your Satan by giving him a dominion of sorts over the creation of your god . Now you want to blame your Satan for what your god deliberately created . Australia has a serious rabbit problem . Is that solely the fault of the rabbits ??

@caissad4 said
Here we go again with the blaming of your Satan for what your god deliberately created . Your god created your Satan know beforehand what your Satan would do and did it anyway . Not good for your resume , lol. Then your god punished/rewarded your Satan by giving him a dominion of sorts over the creation of your god . Now you want to blame your Satan for what your god deliberately created . Australia has a serious rabbit problem . Is that solely the fault of the rabbits ??

He isn't my Satan or anyone else's he is a being nothing more. With his own freewill, he turned to evil and helps incite others to do the same. Polluting good is evil and evil is but a small bump in the road that will be dealt with once and for all. Those that love evil, who want to stay in it will, and when the door of opportunity shuts on being able to repent, the choices are locked in.

@kellyjay said

If you believe in nothing after this, what would it matter to how one dies, in the end, its nothing but worms eating your dead body that is all you hope for, all of the hopes and plans end in this life for your worldview.

Life is precious Kelly 'because' of it's finality at death. We only get one shot at life. That is why it matters how we die. It also matters how those we love die, or even those we barely know. It matters because we are human with morality and developed emotions. It matters because even when we die we still want the best for our friends and family, want them to have happy and fulfilled lives.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Life is precious Kelly 'because' of it's finality at death. We only get one shot at life. That is why it matters how we die. It also matters how those we love die, or even those we barely know. It matters because we are human with morality and developed emotions. It matters because even when we die we still want the best for our friends and family, want them to have happy and fulfilled lives.

Yes, life is very precious, you just think it ends here, and that is that. So eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die?

If this is it, then all of our hopes, desires, and dreams end here, because nothing moves forward. In addition to that all the crimes against one another where no price was paid, are left undone no different than someone who gave their lives for others. This would make both sets of people no different, as the scales are only found in this life. No justice for evil deeds and no hope for righteous ones if it wasn't dealt out here is never will be.

Life and hope don't end here, and because of that those with God will do good deeds even if it cost them their lives, because if this were it, why would anyone ever do anything that could cost them their lives, nothing would be worth that, give up your only shot of experiencing being. Because of who we are I'd dare say a few even without the Lord could love someone enough to die for them, love could cause that.

@kellyjay said
Yes, life is very precious, you just think it ends here, and that is that. So eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die?

If this is it, then all of our hopes, desires, and dreams end here, because nothing moves forward. In addition to that all the crimes against one another where no price was paid, are left undone no different than someone who gave their lives for othe ...[text shortened]... re say a few even without the Lord could love someone enough to die for them, love could cause that.

Welcome to the reality of existence Kelly.