Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]How is eternity expressed mathematically?

Here are the largest numbers I could find as a layman's point of reference:

Googol: A large number. A "1" followed by one hundred zeros.
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Googolple ...[text shortened]... thom the infinite quantitative/qualitative aspect of an eternity with or separated from God?[/i]

And this number that you put only represents not days, years, seconds, but millennia.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
stellspalfie, believers in Christ in heaven will no longer have the sin nature all of us inherited from Adam.

how did adam acquire his sin nature?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
how did adam acquire his sin nature?

.... by willfully disobeying the only prohibition God commanded.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
.... by willfully disobeying the only prohibition God commanded.

so adam acquired sin by rebelling against god, previous to that action he was sinless.

so..

what is stopping all the sinless individual souls who have an eternity from rebelling against god and regaining their sin nature?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so adam acquired sin by rebelling against god, previous to that action he was sinless.

so..

what is stopping all the sinless individual souls who have an eternity from rebelling against god and regaining their sin nature?

"so adam acquired sin by rebelling against god, previous to that action he was sinless. [Yes. God formed Adam and Eve physically perfect without any flaws or sin to enjoy a personal relationship with Himself. He placed them in perfect environment in the Garden of Eden where they had daily contact with Him. (Genesis 3:8) God gave each of them volition, the free will to obey or disobey Him. Committing the sin of disobedience caused them to lose their state of sinless perfection... immediately a barrier separated them from God; their personal relationship with God was completely severed.]

so..

what is stopping all the sinless individual souls who have an eternity from rebelling against god and regaining their sin nature?" -stellspalfie [From the fall of Adam until the end of time no human can get past this barrier because all mankind is born spiritually dead on one side of the barrier while God exists on the other side. There are no "sinless individual souls".
Omniscient God knew man's volition would alienate him from his Creator and in eternity past God the Father designed a perfect grace plan to remove the barrier through the salvation work of Jesus Christ on the cross for all mankind.]

Page One: "stellspalfie, believers in Christ in heaven will no longer have the sin nature all of us inherited from Adam."

Originally posted by divegeester
Like this.

.... maybe more like the open ended one posted by yoctobyte.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
stellspalfie, believers in Christ in heaven will no longer have the sin nature all of us inherited from Adam.

when adam was first created did he have a sinful nature or a sinless nature?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
when adam was first created did he have a sinful nature or a sinless nature?

.. sinless

[Yes. God formed Adam and Eve physically perfect without any flaws or sin to enjoy a personal relationship with Himself. He placed them in perfect environment in the Garden of Eden where they had daily contact with Him. (Genesis 3:8) God gave each of them volition, the free will to obey or disobey Him. Committing the sin of disobedience caused them to lose their state of sinless perfection... immediately a barrier separated them from God; their personal relationship with God was completely severed.]

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
.. sinless

[Yes. God formed Adam and Eve physically perfect without any flaws or sin to enjoy a personal relationship with Himself. He placed them in perfect environment in the Garden of Eden where they had daily contact with Him. (Genesis 3:8) God gave each of them volition, the free will to obey or disobey Him. Committing the sin of disobedience ca ...[text shortened]... a barrier separated them from God; their personal relationship with God was completely severed.]

so a sinless person is capable of sin. yes? no?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so a sinless person is capable of sin. yes? no?

yes, stellspalfie...

God gave Adam and Eve individual volitions, the free will to obey or disobey Him.
All human beings since have been born with sin natures and have also sinned.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
yes, stellspalfie...

God gave Adam and Eve individual volitions, the free will to obey or disobey Him.
All human beings since have been born with sin natures and have also sinned.

so once again, what is stopping those chosen to spend eternity in heaven from sinning?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so once again, what is stopping those chosen to spend eternity in heaven from sinning?

God's Perfect Plan respects our free: all men and women make individual choices whether or not to believe in Christ... those who do will receive new bodies like Christ's in heaven which do not have sin natures that cause us to be tempted to sin.

Note: Being tempted is not a sin; the decision to say, "Yes", to the temptation becomes the sin.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
God's Perfect Plan respects our free: all men and women make individual choices whether or not to believe in Christ... those who do will receive new bodies like Christ's in heaven which do not have sin natures that cause us to be tempted to sin.

Note: Being tempted is not a sin; the decision to say, "Yes", to the temptation becomes the sin.

"those who do will receive new bodies like Christ's in heaven which do not have sin natures that cause us to be tempted to sin."

you have already stated that adam had a sinless nature yet he was still tempted to sin and did sin. so why will these people not sin? whats the difference between them and adam???

Originally posted by stellspalfie
"those who do will receive new bodies like Christ's in heaven which do not have sin natures that cause us to be tempted to sin."

you have already stated that adam had a sinless nature yet he was still tempted to sin and did sin. so why will these people not sin? whats the difference between them and adam???[/b]

"the difference": stellspalfie, those who believe in Christ will have bodies like His in heaven which will not be able to sin.

Note: Though Adam and Eve's bodies were formed physically perfectly, neither was like Christ's in heaven.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"the difference": stellspalfie, those who believe in Christ will have bodies like His in heaven which will not be able to sin.

Note: Though Adam and Eve's bodies were formed perfectly, neither was like Christ's in heaven.

they will not be 'able' to sin. why? why not give adam those qualities in the first place?