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Where has Ehrman conceded or admitted that "would not dare say some things" in debates that he has said in his books. Have you got a quote or a link?
I never said it was a quotation. It is the observation of people in his field who have observed his behavior.
So one person debating him asked before the debate "Which Bart Ehrman am I debating?" [paraphrased]
In other words the Popular NPR circuit Ehrman or the more cautious academic knowing that what he writes has been known in professional circles for many years.
He said himself he wishes to teach the audience at large about textural criticism. And for that alone I don't really fault him. I fault him when he interjects his own wavering strivings of the soul to embrace apostasy of the faith. He preaches that. But he retreats into academic "objective" professor when pushed many times.
Ehrman's disdain and contempt for people who believe what he says he USED to believe is as hostile as any bad feelings you are trying to pin on me right now.
@sonship saidYou aren't achieving anything by insinuating that his ideas are "stupid ideas". This has been a multi-page draw-out ad hominem aimed at an academic whose work you disagree with.
@FMF
People can read where I spoke well of Ehrman and where I spoke ill of Ehrman. I don't need to repeat the things I said.
@sonship saidSo once again, you have projected a negative opinion of Ehrman's work ONTO Ehrman and pretended that it is HIS opinion that "he wouldn't dare say something" you disagree with. You are posting without integrity in your efforts to discredit someone you do not agree with.
@FMF
Where has Ehrman conceded or admitted that "would not dare say some things" in debates that he has said in his books. Have you got a quote or a link?
I never said it was a quotation. It is the observation of people in his field who have observed his behavior.
@sonship saidEhrman is an engaging, modest and unassuming man. He doesn't express or exhibit "disdain and contempt". Who has fed you with the idea that he does? You don't seem to know him. You were comparing him to a novelist earlier. And now you talk of his "disdain and contempt for people". Do you have any examples?
Ehrman's disdain and contempt for people who believe what he says he USED to believe is as hostile as any bad feelings you are trying to pin on me right now.
@divegeester saidOn this one he seems to be running through a checklist of disposable ad hominems. Education. Toss it out there. Check. Didn't work. Abandoned. Compare him to a novelist. Toss it out there. Check. Didn't work. Abandoned. Claim he admits he is not honest. Claim he wouldn't dare this that or the other. Toss it out there. Check. Didn't work. Abandoned. Claim he exhibits "disdain and contempt" [gaseous accusations that poison the well but are unverifiable]. Toss it out there. Check. Didn't work. Abandoned. Reminds me of robbie carrobie.
There has become more of a cultish feel to sonship’s posting in the last year or so. This is reflected in my thread about his church’s stance regarding the trinity and salvation.
@sonship saidWell, being like "FMF" is a positive thing. Saying you remind me of robbie carrobie is to say that you are discussing Ehrman in a distinctly unprincipled and a grasping-at-smears kind of way.
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sonship, on this thread, you remind me of robbie carrobie.
Fascinating. You remind me of FMF.
@sonship saidI find the way your vanity/zealotry distort your intellectual and interpersonal behaviour interesting. That is both significant and substantive to me.
@FMF
You're the one not writing much substantive but chit chatting casually volumes of not terribly significant contributions into the discussion.
@sonship saidThis is a most feeble attempt at Appeal To Authority. It's more like Appeal To Gossip I Agree With.
In other words the Popular NPR circuit Ehrman or the more cautious academic knowing that what he writes has been known in professional circles for many years.
Do you move "in professional circles" sonship?
Does Ehrman himself move "in professional circles"?
What's the gossip about White and Licona "in professional circles"?
In the interests of balance, do you have any positive gossip about Ehrman that you have picked up "in professional circles"?
Gosh. What's the next gimmick on your checklist?
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While FMF shakes his cheerleader pom poms for Bart Ehrman interested parties IN HIS CONCEPTS and second opinions TO them, here is a debate between him and Dan Wallace
I retract the comment on Ehrman not being a historian.
Not because I know it to be wrong.
But because I don't know it for sure to be right more or less so then some of the people he debates. He says he is a historian.
As for Ehrman expressing his contempt for "fundamentalists," you have to catch him at the right time coming out of his own mouth.
I am not going to go over hours to locate what I mean.
If anyone doesn't believe I heard it from his own mouth, then just don't believe it. Keep listening you may come across it someday.
Much more of interest to Ehrman's ideas and cross examination of them -
Bart Ehrman & Daniel Wallace Debate Original NT Lost?
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For the record.
I have heard Bart Ehrman say things which I thought were very humble. (No, not just this week. A long time ago.)
Repeat - I have heard Dr. Bart Ehrman say some things which I thought were very humble, and I would take a class or two with him without hesitation if I was enrolled at UNC.