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    by Bart D. Ehrman

    Audio Book, in full.

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    “How Jesus Became God makes the most astonishing and complex topic in the history of Christianity accessible to every reader, and offers a clear and balanced discussion of how various Christians—and non-Christians—see Jesus.”
    —ELAINE PAGELS, professor of religion at Princeton University and author of The Gnostic Gospels

    “Ehrman has done it again! In this lively and provocative book, he gives a nuanced and wide-ranging discussion of early Christian Christology and all that it entails. Tracing the developing understanding of Jesus from a fully human apocalyptic preacher to a fully divine being, Ehrman shows his skills as an interpreter of both biblical and nonbiblical texts. This is an important, accessible work by a scholar of the first rank.”
    —MICHAEL COOGAN, Harvard Divinity School lecturer and editor of The New Oxford Annotated Bible

    “Ehrman writes with vigor and clarity, but above all with intellectual honesty. He demystifies a subject on which biblical scholars too often equivocate. Both believers and nonbelievers can learn much from this book.”
    —JOHN J. COLLINS, Holmes Professor of Old Testament at Yale

    “How did ancient monotheism allow the One God to have a ‘son’? Ehrman tells this story, introducing the reader to a Jewish world thick with angels, cosmic powers, and numberless semidivinities—among whom, for this tiny messianic sect, Jesus of Nazareth, raised from the dead. How Jesus Became Godprovides a lively overview of Nicea’s prequel.”
    —PAULA FREDRIKSEN, author of Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews


    Some might find this interesting.
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    @fmf said
    by Bart D. Ehrman

    Audio Book, in full.

    [youtube]NJNNg-CT7Gw[/youtube]

    REVIEWS

    “How Jesus Became God makes the most astonishing and complex topic in the history of Christianity accessible to every reader, and offers a clear and balanced discussion of how various Christians—and non-Christians—see Jesus.”
    —ELAINE PAGELS, professor of religion at Princeton Univers ...[text shortened]... EDRIKSEN, author of Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews


    Some might find this interesting.
    Nonsense. Jesus didn't "become" God. God became a man. His name is Jesus.
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    @secondson said
    Nonsense. Jesus didn't "become" God. God became a man. His name is Jesus.
    You have obviously NEVER read the old Jewish texts concerning the angel Jesus and how he was crucified between the Earth and the Moon by Satan. The story is written after captivity and is derived from the changes to Judaism after melding with Zoroasterism. Heck, Judaism didn't become have a resurrection until after captivity. You are so ignorant of your own religious history that you probably don't even know that historians have shown 2 Peter to be a forgery.
    Most Christians have no desire to critically examine the history of their beliefs.
    The truth will indeed set you free.
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    @secondson said
    Nonsense. Jesus didn't "become" God. God became a man. His name is Jesus.
    It's an interesting book.
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    Going Toe to Toe with an equal in New Testament scholarship.

    Recommend:
    Long and meaty debate - (fascinating to me)
    Bart Erhman verses James White

    Does the New Testament Misquote Jesus?

    YouTube P1

    YouTube P2

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    James White on

    Bart Ehrman, Scholarship, Presuppositions

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    Going Toe to Toe with an equal in New Testament scholarship.

    Recommend:
    Long and meaty debate - (fascinating to me)
    Bart Erhman verses James White

    Does the New Testament Misquote Jesus?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moHInA9fAsI P1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Mp4v8VQwQ P2

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    James White on ...[text shortened]... Bart Ehrman, Scholarship, Presuppositions [/b]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Xt0MPkFRU
    Have you read or listened to the book cited in the OP?
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    From the Back Cover

    In a book that took eight years to research and write, leading Bible scholar Bart D. Ehrman explores how an apocalyptic prophet from the backwaters of rural Galilee crucified for crimes against the state came to be thought of as equal with the one God Almighty Creator of all things.

    Ehrman sketches Jesus's transformation from a human prophet to the Son of God, exalted to divine status at his resurrection. Only when some of Jesus's followers had visions of him after his death—alive again—did anyone come to think that he, the prophet from Galilee, had become God. And what they meant by that was not at all what people mean today.

    As a historian—not a believer—Ehrman answers the questions: How did this transformation of Jesus occur? How did he move from being a Jewish prophet to being God? The dramatic shifts throughout history reveal not only why Jesus's followers began to claim he was God, but also how they came to understand this claim in so many different ways.

    Written for secular historians of religion and believers alike, How Jesus Became God will engage anyone interested in the historical developments that led to the affirmation at the heart of Christianity: Jesus was, and is, God.


    The book is not about Ehrman's own lack of belief.
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    @caissad4 said
    You have obviously NEVER read the old Jewish texts concerning the angel Jesus and how he was crucified between the Earth and the Moon by Satan. The story is written after captivity and is derived from the changes to Judaism after melding with Zoroasterism. Heck, Judaism didn't become have a resurrection until after captivity. You are so ignorant of your own religious history ...[text shortened]... e no desire to critically examine the history of their beliefs.
    The truth will indeed set you free.
    Why not post some of this irrefutable stuff with some references and reviews so we can have a look at it?
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    @divegeester said
    Why not post some of this irrefutable stuff with some references and reviews so we can have a look at it?
    1. Go to YouTube
    2. Look for videos by Richard Carrier, pick some videos to watch
    3. Watch and take notes so you can verify or disprove his information
    4. Research and verify or disprove information
    5. Repeat often
    That is what I do
    Anyone can do it, but I doubt many Christians do
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    @caissad4 said
    1. Go to YouTube
    2. Look for videos by Richard Carrier, pick some videos to watch
    3. Watch and take notes so you can verify or disprove his information
    4. Research and verify or disprove information
    5. Repeat often
    That is what I do
    Anyone can do it, but I doubt many Christians do
    Thanks I’ll book a few days out.
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    @caissad4 said
    You have obviously NEVER read the old Jewish texts concerning the angel Jesus and how he was crucified between the Earth and the Moon by Satan. The story is written after captivity and is derived from the changes to Judaism after melding with Zoroasterism. Heck, Judaism didn't become have a resurrection until after captivity. You are so ignorant of your own religious history ...[text shortened]... e no desire to critically examine the history of their beliefs.
    The truth will indeed set you free.
    If what one believes isn't true it will never "set you free".

    The question of authenticity is nothing new. The Pharisees 'added' to the Word of God, and the Sadducees took away.

    It began in Genesis and goes through to Revelation. Satan questioned, "hath God said?", and Jesus warns of the penalty for tampering with the scriptures.

    I know you think you're a YouTube genius, but you are blatantly and willfully ignorant about the truth of God's Word, compounded by your denial of the existence of God, and thinking you know the truth.

    The truth you think you know doesn't make anyone free.
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    1. Go to YouTube
    2. Look for videos by Richard Carrier, pick some videos to watch


    So I have.

    William Lane Craig debates Richard Carrier

    "Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?" (part 1)

    YouTube

    Craig Evans debates Richard Carrier

    Did Jesus Exist ?

    YouTube
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    Richard Carrier vs J P Holding

    New Testament Textual Reliability

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    @sonship said
    Richard Carrier vs J P Holding

    New Testament Textual Reliability

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ_ois81VKg
    Good. Now watch some of his lectures.
    Debates are good but the lectures are better.
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    @secondson said
    If what one believes isn't true it will never "set you free".

    The question of authenticity is nothing new. The Pharisees 'added' to the Word of God, and the Sadducees took away.

    It began in Genesis and goes through to Revelation. Satan questioned, "hath God said?", and Jesus warns of the penalty for tampering with the scriptures.

    I know you think you're a YouTube g ...[text shortened]... e of God, and thinking you know the truth.

    The truth you think you know doesn't make anyone free.
    You should love these videos . Richard Carrier points obvious tampering in your holy book.
    I understand that your type of Christian is unlikely to be objective concerning clear forgery in texts that you have read.
    Place fingers in ears and say "no,no,no,no, It's not true"
    Relax, everything is going to be O-K-A-Y .
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