1. SubscriberMarinkatomb
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    10 Nov '06 11:05
    I'm just curious, how many Christians here believe in the devil and Hell, etc...

    Personally i find the idea a little silly (sorry, don't want to pour scorn on Religion, but this interpretation of what happens to bad people when they die just strikes me as a little medieval)

    What are peoples thoughts? If you choose not to believe in the Devil, yet you are still religious and believe in God, what are your views on Heaven? Must a rational person also discount Heaven as a reality also once Hell has been dropped?
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    10 Nov '06 11:09
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    I'm just curious, how many Christians here believe in the devil and Hell, etc...

    Personally i find the idea a little silly (sorry, don't want to pour scorn on Religion, but this interpretation of what happens to bad people when they die just strikes me as a little medieval)

    What are peoples thoughts? If you choose not to believe in the Devil, yet y ...[text shortened]... ven? Must a rational person also discount Heaven as a reality also once Hell has been dropped?
    I don't think that you can have one without the other.

    As an atheist, the god squad would say that I'm condemned to hell.

    Hope so, if they're going to heaven. Can a soul "die" from boredom?
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    10 Nov '06 14:29
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    I'm just curious, how many Christians here believe in the devil and Hell, etc...

    Personally i find the idea a little silly (sorry, don't want to pour scorn on Religion, but this interpretation of what happens to bad people when they die just strikes me as a little medieval)

    What are peoples thoughts? If you choose not to believe in the Devil, yet y ...[text shortened]... ven? Must a rational person also discount Heaven as a reality also once Hell has been dropped?
    I believe in the Bible. Thus everything it says, I believe.

    It is so strange to find the idea that someone doesnt believe in God. It is weird how this all works. I just see God in everything 😉
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    10 Nov '06 14:49
    Originally posted by Nicksten
    I believe in the Bible. Thus everything it says, I believe.

    It is so strange to find the idea that someone doesnt believe in God. It is weird how this all works. I just see God in everything 😉
    That's nice - do you see him in war, disease, famine?
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    10 Nov '06 16:12
    I think it is very effective to take the time to read the New Testament. Three chapters a day until one is finished.

    It is good to forget what one has heard and forget one's pre-assumptions and read through.

    Often I get the impression that the inquisitor has not done much reading of the document for him or herself.

    I don't want to be filled with second hand concepts from religious liturature, movies, cartoons, sermons which may or may not have been good and accurate, when coming to the Bible.

    Nothing beats taking time out before one leaves this earth, to read through for oneself the New Testament.
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    10 Nov '06 16:28
    Originally posted by jaywill
    I think it is very effective to take the time to read the New Testament. Three chapters a day until one is finished.

    It is good to forget what one has heard and forget one's pre-assumptions and read through.

    Often I get the impression that the inquisitor has not done much reading of the document for him or herself.

    I don't want to be filled with s ...[text shortened]... s taking time out before one leaves this earth, to read through for oneself the New Testament.
    But the Old Testament is so embarassing that we'll just skip over that one. Right?
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    10 Nov '06 16:30
    Originally posted by sugiezd
    I don't think that you can have one without the other.

    As an atheist, the god squad would say that I'm condemned to hell.

    Hope so, if they're going to heaven. Can a soul "die" from boredom?
    As an atheist, the god squad would say that I'm condemned to hell.

    Who/what exactly is this "god squad"?

    Also, how is disbelief in God's existence a sufficient cause for condemnation to hell?
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    10 Nov '06 16:31
    Originally posted by Nicksten
    I believe in the Bible. Thus everything it says, I believe.

    It is so strange to find the idea that someone doesnt believe in God. It is weird how this all works. I just see God in everything 😉
    Do you believe that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds?
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    10 Nov '06 16:541 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    But the Old Testament is so embarassing that we'll just skip over that one. Right?
    Am I suppose to say "Gee, You took the words right out of my mouth?" NOT.


    Better yet try three chapter in the Old Testament and one in the New Testament each day. Takes about a year to read the Bible this way.

    Why are you so argumentative ???
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    10 Nov '06 17:00
    Originally posted by jaywill
    Am I suppose to say "Gee, You took the words right out of my mouth?" NOT.


    Better yet try three chapter in the Old Testament and one in the New Testament each day. Takes about a year to read the Bible this way.

    Why are you so argumentative ???
    He said he believes EVERYTHING the bible says. So I asked him if he believed the mustard seed was the smallest seed. Do you?
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    10 Nov '06 17:131 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    He said he believes EVERYTHING the bible says. So I asked him if he believed the mustard seed was the smallest seed. Do you?yEP
    Am I a hyper literalist?

    When the Bible says "money solves everything" (somewhere in Proverbs or Ecclesiastes?) do I beleive EVERYTHING in the Bible like a good little Bible thumper would so we can jeer and sneer and feel justified in our unbelief?


    Let's put it this way. I like Golden's Mustard on baloney sandwiches real good.
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    11 Nov '06 14:36
    Originally posted by jaywill
    Am I a hyper literalist?

    When the Bible says [b]"money solves everything"
    (somewhere in Proverbs or Ecclesiastes?) do I beleive EVERYTHING in the Bible like a good little Bible thumper would so we can jeer and sneer and feel justified in our unbelief?


    Let's put it this way. I like Golden's Mustard on baloney sandwiches real good.[/b]
    If the mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds, as the bible claims, then why should anything else the bible says be taken seriously? How can the bible be taken as being literally true, or as being the word of god, when it contains a obvious falsehood?
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    11 Nov '06 15:41
    Originally posted by sugiezd
    That's nice - do you see him in war, disease, famine?
    you know that 😉
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    11 Nov '06 15:43
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Do you believe that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds?
    then? it was
    now? i dont know
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    11 Nov '06 15:54
    If I believe everything the Bible says, it does not mean that cause of the fact that I say that I believe everything the Bible says - that I am forcing anyone to feel or believe what I believe or feel.

    It is your own choice to believe in what ever it is you wish to believe in. If I see God in everything, that is what I see - and clearly people who do not believe in God, will not agree with me.

    If you see two people in love, I see two people blessed by love from God. I believe love is God, love comes from God and God is love.

    Feel free to leave more sarcastic remarks (or as some people refer "positive criticism"😉 😛
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