Humans: Good or Evil?

Originally posted by frogstomp
Matchmaker, Matchmaker. make me a match
I'll be on time with my new man made watch
I know it don't rhyme , So a poem I did botch
Some things obscure , are as plain as a nose.
And just as an orange isn't a rose
It didn't rhyme because it was just prose

ROFL! Oh boy... At least I apologized for my bad verse! 🙄

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I have to admit that I just don't understand.

It's just a spin on "he's older than the hills."

Originally posted by frogstomp
Matchmaker, Matchmaker. make me a match
I'll be on time with my new man made watch
I know it don't rhyme , So a poem I did botch
Some things obscure , are as plain as a nose.
And just as an orange isn't a rose
It didn't rhyme because it was just prose

Oh and by the way, it's a crime to rhyme every time if you're a poet and you know it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Oh and by the way, it's a crime to rhyme every time if you're a poet and you know it.

And I was the first one to contribute to this degeneration of the thread. Time for me to go to bed. (Ooops, did it again!) 😛

Originally posted by vistesd
ROFL! Oh boy... At least I apologized for my bad verse! 🙄

LMAO

Originally posted by vistesd
It's just a spin on "he's older than the hills."

what impact would " he's older than dirt" have on the biblical creation story?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
In the following set (all known watches + the sun)
the sun is the oldest item, given that its existence precedes all these other watches. For people knew the sun before they knew of watches.

Perhaps hidden in the earth, or the moon, or in the sun itself, there is a watch that is older than the sun, but that watch is not yet known.

Are you saying that the sun is older that the universe?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Are you saying that the sun is older that the universe?

I said the sun is older than any known watch, making it the oldest known time-keeping instrument.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I said the sun is older than any known watch, making it the oldest known time-keeping instrument.

Oh that was sneeky 😀

I was refering to the universe as a 'watch' due to the (similarity) in complexity. (Just too add that the universe is billions of times more complex that a watch). That was the reason for comparing the universe to a watch.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Oh that was sneeky 😀

I was refering to the universe as a 'watch' due to the (similarity) in complexity. (Just too add that the universe is billions of times more complex that a watch). That was the reason for comparing the universe to a watch.

OK. Newton also compared the universe to a clock, with God as clock maker.

Back to my question...The oldest clock known is the sun, which is a star. Stars are still being born in the universe. Does this process occur spontaneously, or is some sort of midwife required?

Sincerely, I just want to know what you think.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
OK. Newton also compared the universe to a clock, with God as clock maker.

Back to my question...The oldest clock known is the sun, which is a star. Stars are still being born in the universe. Does this process occur spontaneously ...[text shortened]... ired?

Sincerely, I just want to know what you think.

I'll let you know what I think once you have provided the proof that new Stars are being born in the universe. I hope you understand the difference between theory and fact. You stated the latter as fact, which means there is plenty of proof.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I'll let you know what I think once you have provided the proof that new Stars are being born in the universe. I hope you understand the difference between theory and fact. You stated the latter as fact, which means there is plenty of proof.

What proof would suffice for you, I wonder.

Here's a link: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1995/44/

Enjoy the view.

Would it make any difference to your views if sufficient evidence were handed to you of the continuous birth of stars in the universe?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
OK. Newton also compared the universe to a clock, with God as clock maker.

Back to my question...The oldest clock known is the sun, which is a star. Stars are still being born in the universe. Does this process occur spontaneously ...[text shortened]... ired?

Sincerely, I just want to know what you think.

Stars are still being born in the universe.

I question the validity of this statement. Maybe dust cleared and they saw stars that already existed. It is impossible to say for sure whether a star is being born. Maybe "hypothetically" would be a important addition to your statement.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
What proof would suffice for you, I wonder.

Here's a link: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1995/44/

Enjoy the view.

Would it make any difference to your views if sufficient evidence were handed to you of the continuous birth of stars in the universe?

Given the right special conditions, it may be possible for a cloud of hydrogen to become a star — if it is first compressed to the right density so that the force of gravity is more powerful than the tendency for it to disperse. It will then irresistibly collapse, and the resultant heating of its interior should eventually ignite the process of thermonuclear fusion thought to power stars.

The catch is that the conditions required to compress the gas to that point seem to require the shock waves from the explosion of a previously existing star. So it is consistent with this theory for the Hubble telescope to have detected images in the Eagle Nebula, which astronomers think is the remnants of an exploded star.

You blow some up to make some. Not spontaneous generation by my reckoning.

Originally posted by Halitose
Given the right special conditions, it may be possible for a cloud of hydrogen to become a star — if it is first compressed to the right density so that the force of gravity is more powerful than the tendency for it to disperse. It will then irresistibly collapse, and the resultant heating of its interior should eventually ignite the process of thermonuclea ...[text shortened]... n exploded star.

You blow some up to make some. Not spontaneous generation by my reckoning.

The link I posted suggests (as far as I gather) that stars form when immense columns of hydrogen collapse under their own weight.

Well I guess the gas has just been waiting around long enough and voila stars. Lovely. Super.

Non sequitur.