"I know there is no God"

@kingdavid403 said
Not contemporaneous "records", no. It's not.
Yes it is. Flavius Josephus is one of the Roman Jewish historian's at that time. Go do some studying on him.

Josephus's writing is a secondary source about something he did not witness based on Christian claims about it.

@fmf said
He wrote it three generations ~ six decades ~ after the events he was describing. It was not a "contemporaneous record".

Yes, it was. 😀

@kingdavid403 said
You can go talk with someone else anytime You wish. I don't care what you like.

Do you want to converse with me?

@kingdavid403 said
Yes, it was.

It was not a contemporaneous record of the trial and execution of Jesus and it does not corroborate Christians' claims that Jesus rose from the dead. It IS, however contemporaneous record of the Christian movement, decades later, and it records what Christians believed at that time.

@fmf said
Josephus's writing is a about something he did not witness based on Christian claims about it.

I'm talking about his historical contemptuous writing's dumb arse.

@kingdavid403 said
I'm talking about his historical contemptuous writing's dumb arse.

As I said, Josephus's account is not a contemporaneous record of the trial and execution of Jesus and it does not corroborate Christians' claims that Jesus rose from the dead.

@fmf said
As I said, Josephus's account is not a contemporaneous record of the trial and execution of Jesus and it does not corroborate Christians' claims that Jesus rose from the dead.

You did not say this at first. You said all his historical writings were not contemptuous. You're wrong. Furthermore, where do you think he got the Christian information from? Contemptuous sources. So yes, they are Contemptuous writings. Ah duh! So what if he missed the resurrection. He was not a follower of Jesus. 🙂

@kingdavid403 said
You said all his historical writings were not contemptuous.

I did not.

@fmf said
I did not.

Yes you did. 6 decades Was it not?

@kingdavid403 said
Furthermore, where do you think he got the Christian information from? Contemptuous sources. So yes, they are Contemptuous writings.

His history book is a secondary source and does not, in and of itself, corroborate claims made about events before his birth.

@kingdavid403 said
Yes you did. 6 decades Was it not?

No, I didn't. No one disputes that his account of events that were happening during his lifetime were written as a contemporary historian. He, meanwhile, has nothing "contemporaneous" to say about the circumstances surrounding Jesus's death, about which he simply reports on what Christians believed decades and decades after it.

@kingdavid403 said
Yes you did. 6 decades Was it not?

Josephus wrote about Jesus and about what Christians believed six decades after his execution, yes.

@kingdavid403 said
You said all his historical writings were not contemptuous.

No, I did not.

KingDavid403: Jesus was murdered by the Jews and Romans.

FMF: And you claim to KNOW this or is it something that you BELIEVE is true?

KingDavid403: It's written in non-religious Roman and Jewish historic records also besides the Bible.

FMF: Not contemporaneous "records", no. It's not. Even the New Testament was written decades after the events supposedly happened and the writer of most of it never even met its main protagonist.

KingDavid403: Yes it is. Flavius Josephus is one of the Roman Jewish historian's at that time.

FMF: Josephus did not produce "contemporaneous records". He was writing two or three generations after Jesus's death. He wasn't alive when Jesus was alive.

KingDavid403: Yes he was alive when Jesus was alive.

FMF: But he wasn't. Someone has given you false information. Josephus was born several years after the death of Jesus.

@fmf said
"I know there is no God".

Actually, I do not "know" it. And I never make this claim.

We can certainly say we believe supernatural beings exist or don't exist.

Or... that we do not or cannot know either way.

We can also certainly say we believe that a specific God figure from a specific religious tradition exists or that we don't believe that a specific God figure, ...[text shortened]... belief.

This is a dilution of the meaning of the word "know" that does not benefit the discourse.

But no matter how intense that belief or disbelief is, for us to assert that we know that something of this kind is true - or isn't - is simply using the word to signal how sincere and certain we are about our belief.
You are wrong. I know there is a God and so do many other people. Just because you don't know does not mean that others do not know. You cannot say that others do not know just because you don't know.
Many see the evidence, just because you have not does not mean that others have not. As an atheist you cannot tell others what they know about God. As I said, spiritual things cannot be physically proven because they are Spiritual and not physical. I do know their is a God and He has proven Himself to me so that I know. And you have no idea what I know about my God. Simple as that little atheist boy. Funny as an atheist you sit in the spirituality forum all day every day trying to sow doubt in those that know. Hilarious to say the least.

@fmf said
I did not.

Yes you did.