@kingdavid403 saidI used to believe this too. Neither you nor I know that this did or didn't happen. Paul made this claim in his own book about himself. We can either believe it or we can disbelieve it.
Paul met Jesus after the resurrection of Jesus.
@kingdavid403 saidThen why did you say, of josephus: "Yes he was alive when Jesus was alive"?
Because he did; and more. Duh. 😀
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@fmf said[John 18:28-38 NKJV] 28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover. 29 Pilate then went out to them and said, "What accusation do you bring against this Man?" 30 They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evildoer, we would not have delivered Him up to you." 31 Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law."; Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death," 32 that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled which He spoke, signifying by what death He would die. 33 Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" 34 Jesus answered him, "Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?" 35 Pilate answered, "Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?" 36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here." 37 Pilate therefore said to Him, "Are You a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say [rightly] that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice." 38 Pilate said to Him, "What is truth?" And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, "I find no fault in Him at all.
I used to believe this too. Neither you nor I know that this did or didn't happen. Paul made this claim in his own book about himself. We can either believe it or we can disbelieve it.
[John 19:1-16 NKJV] 1 So then Pilate took Jesus and scourged [Him]. 2 And the soldiers twisted a crown of thorns and put [it] on His head, and they put on Him a purple robe. 3 Then they said, "Hail, King of the Jews!" And they struck Him with their hands. 4 Pilate then went out again, and said to them, "Behold, I am bringing Him out to you, that you may know that I find no fault in Him." 5 Then Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And [Pilate] said to them, "Behold the Man!" 6 Therefore, when the chief priests and officers saw Him, they cried out, saying, "Crucify [Him], crucify [Him]!" Pilate said to them, "You take Him and crucify [Him], for I find no fault in Him." 7 The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God." 8 Therefore, when Pilate heard that saying, he was the more afraid, 9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, "Where are You from?" But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then Pilate said to Him, "Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?" 11 Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin." 12 From then on Pilate sought to release Him, but the Jews cried out, saying, "If you let this Man go, you are not Caesar's friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar." 13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus out and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called [The] Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14 Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, "Behold your King!" 15 But they cried out, "Away with [Him], away with [Him]! Crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar!" 16 Then he delivered Him to them to be crucified. So they took Jesus and led [Him] away.
Fairly self-explanatory. You're wrong. Please share with us which Bible Scholars are wrong also. 🙂
@kingdavid403 saidAnd he, Josphus, wrote his book six decades later.
He was born a little over three years after the Resurrection of Jesus.
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@kingdavid403 saidYes, I am well aware of the account people wrote decades later about the circumstances surrounding Jesus' death. We are free to believe it is true or to be disbelieving of it. But neither of us can know either way. This is the thread topic.
[John 18:28-38 NKJV] 28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover. 29 Pilate then went out to them and said, "What accusation do you bring against this Man?" 30 They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evildoe ...[text shortened]...
Fairly self-explanatory. You're wrong. Please share with us which Bible Scholars are wrong also. 🙂
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@kingdavid403 saidHe wrote it three generations ~ six decades ~ after the events he was describing. It was not a "contemporaneous record".
He put it together as a book then. He wrote it as he lived.
@kingdavid403 saidYou can do better than this kind of posting.
And you on the other hand have learned nothing as you know nothing.
@kingdavid403 saidWell, you described it yourself a few pages ago, unless you have gone back and deleted it.
So tell us of this sedition that Jesus was charged with?
@kingdavid403 saidI am talking to you properly without any "banter" of this kind. I don't see why you can't talk to me properly.
You can kiss my arse.