Originally posted by @rajk999 .. and you are convinced that He is who He says He is,
and He commands you to go kill someone,
an adulterer, a homosexual, a murderer etc.
[b]Would you obey? If not does that make you more righteous than God?
I know people will ask my answer. I will not obey that command
And no, my refusal does not make me more righteous than God.[/b]
"And no, my refusal does not make me more righteous than God."
I suppose there is wiggle-room in the meaning of "more righteous than God," but you and Dive both seem to look on wigglers with disdain, while saying you would disobey a direct, plainly worded order from God.
I can only refer you to my other posts on this thread. It's plain and simple.
Edit: Every self-described theist who has said they would disobey God's command, has rejected the hypothetical, including the originator of this thread.
Originally posted by @js357 Of course I would try to obey, and the identity of the person I was to kill would not matter.
Sitting here now, contemplating an abstract forum question, I hope I would fail, but actually believing I am commanded by God to kill, I would try my best to obey. How can it be otherwise?
Frankly I am surprised by how many self-described Christians on this fo ...[text shortened]... eing commanded by God to kill. They may all be signs of dementia, but that's how dementia works.
Originally posted by @js357 "And no, my refusal does not make me more righteous than God."
I suppose there is wiggle-room in the meaning of "more righteous than God," but you and Dive both seem to look on wigglers with disdain, while saying you would disobey a direct, plainly worded order from God.
In the scenario the state of righteousness is variable and depends on perpsoective. God may think it righteous to commit murder, I do not. So if I was asked by god to commit murder I wouldn’t. You would, which I find a little odd.
Originally posted by @thinkofone Giving a reason for not obeying the command is outside the hypothetical?
Yes, it is outside the hypothetical if it logically contradicts something in the hypothetical. In this case there is no ‘subsequently unconvinced’ in the hypothetical. It would be like God commanding you to do something He would not command you to do. In the hypothetical, God would do it, because God DID do it.
Originally posted by @js357 Yes, it is outside the hypothetical if it logically contradicts something in the hypothetical. In this case there is no ‘subsequently unconvinced’ in the hypothetical. It would be like God commanding you to do something He would not command you to do. In the hypothetical, God would do it, because God DID do it.
Well, evidently the concept is too abstract for you to be able to wrap your mind around it.
Originally posted by @divegeester In the scenario the state of righteousness is variable and depends on perpsoective. God may think it righteous to commit murder, I do not. So if I was asked by god to commit murder I wouldn’t. You would, which I find a little odd.
Last things first.
AFAIK we’re not living in that hypothetical world.
Actually, the righteousness of you and/or God isn’t stated or explicitly implied in the hypothetical.
Originally posted by @js357 The god I have in mind as I think about this “what if” hypothetical may be more of an abstraction than the one you have in mind.
No idea how that applies to what we've been discussing, but okay.
Originally posted by @js357 Of course I would try to obey, and the identity of the person I was to kill would not matter.
Sitting here now, contemplating an abstract forum question, I hope I would fail, but actually believing I am commanded by God to kill, I would try my best to obey. How can it be otherwise?
Frankly I am surprised by how many self-described Christians on this fo ...[text shortened]... eing commanded by God to kill. They may all be signs of dementia, but that's how dementia works.
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