Originally posted by googlefudge😴
Then you would be wrong.
If god is a member of the set of things that exists. Which is what premise 2 states,
which you agree with. Then the phrase 'everything that exists' includes god.
'Everything that exists' is identifying the set of all things that exist.
You believe that god is a member of the set of all things that exist.
Thus 'everything' in the OP includes god.
waiting GB ...
Originally posted by googlefudgeJust taking a wild stab in the dark here, but I'm guessing that if something "does not exclude" something else, then it, by definition, "includes" that something else, no?
Then you would be wrong.
If god is a member of the set of things that exists. Which is what premise 2 states,
which you agree with. Then the phrase 'everything that exists' includes god.
'Everything that exists' is identifying the set of all things that exist.
You believe that god is a member of the set of all things that exist.
Thus 'everything' in the OP includes god.
So how is what GB said "wrong"? You confirm it yourself.
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Originally posted by SuzianneYou know, you could well be right...
Just taking a wild stab in the dark here, but I'm guessing that if something "does not exclude" something else, then it, by definition, "includes" that something else, no?
So how is what GB said "wrong"? You confirm it yourself.
I'll have to go back over the thread to check but it does rather look like I was
caught reading what I thought he said rather than what he actually said.
My apologies.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou sound like a joyful person. I bet you are a singer. I love dancing. 🙂
Everything is wrong with it.
First, it should be that everything that came to exist has a cause.
Second, God did not come to exist, but always existed.
Third, therefore God was uncaused.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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Originally posted by Tabitha MarshallYou and I have a very different definition of the word joyful...
You sound like a joyful person. I bet you are a singer. I love dancing. 🙂
Either that or we have very different hearing.
I would love to be able to sing... But I am twice cursed in not only having a
voice box that cannot produce anything resembling a tune, but I am also
able to hear that I can't sing, [unlike certain reality tv show contestants]
and thus cannot happily sing away without offending my own hearing... let
alone anyone else's.
But the song's I sing in my imagination are awesome. 😉
