if i were god

Originally posted by twhitehead
No. I have other reasons for thinking God doesn't exist, but no theist has ever been able to explain to me how the behavior of the God they describe is compatible with their claim that he is a loving God. (Except of course for the "Only God knows" explanation).

[b]But if GOD exists and he did that, what will you say?
I cant predict imaginary futures. What are you going to say when a pink unicorn jumps out of your fridge?[/b]

I think you are talking about Christians, not all believers. I don't believe the same way as Christians and I think you know that. I don't believe that GOD love those who choose not believe in him. I don't believe that GOD choosen who to be believer , and who to be disbeliever. It is your choise.

But if you choose not to believe in him, and deny his existance then you don't deserve his love and mercy. You will be punished.

In quran GOD say that he created both life and death to try us , who will be good and who will be bad. So both life and death are from him. Also GOD say in Quran that suffering , death of beloved people, fear and hunger are all from him to try us , who will believe and who will not. Believers know that it is all from GOD and will accept it, non believers will think like you.

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You know there is a lot to explain and say about this. I just have a problem with expressing my ideas in English. If it is not clear to you please let me try to explain it more.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I think you are talking about Christians, not all believers.

I have had a couple of Muslim friends in the past but never really discussed religion with them so I know very little about Islam. If you do not believe in a loving God or a God who is omnipotent then you are right I was wrong to imply that all theists do so.
So you believe that God cannot predict the future? He does not know in advance who will pass his test? He is incapable of making people in such a way that they will pass?
You say I will be punished for not believing in him? So you are more likely to pass the test if you are born to Muslim parents? Do you believe that that is a fair test?

Originally posted by twhitehead
I have had a couple of Muslim friends in the past but never really discussed religion with them so I know very little about Islam. If you do not believe in a loving God or a God who is omnipotent then you are right I was wrong to imply that all theists do so.
So you believe that God cannot predict the future? He does not know in advance who will pass his ...[text shortened]... ely to pass the test if you are born to Muslim parents? Do you believe that that is a fair test?

If you do not believe in a loving God or a God who is omnipotent then you are right I was wrong to imply that all theists do so.

I don't believing in a loving GOD the way Christians do. It is clear in Quran, GOD loves the believers and don't like those who choose not to believe.

But I believe in omnipotent GOD. I beleive that everything is created from GOD. And he is able to do so.

So you believe that God cannot predict the future?
The word predict is not accurate. The answer is know. GOD knows the future but not in the same way you think about it. He knows everything. And so he knows all the senarios. So what ever happens he knows it.

He knows when every one will be born , when he will die and where, he knows what will he earn during his life (money , food , ext). That is all known in advance. Also the basic events that happen to any one such injuries , accedants and happy things as well , are all known.

What man choose is his reaction to these events?

When good stuff happens , he can choose to thank good because he believe in him, or thank someone else or himself. When bad stuff happens , he can choose also to accept GOD well and thank him too, or reject GOD well and denay his existance.

He does not know in advance who will pass his test?
This is a hard question. I need to do some readings before I give an accurate answer.

I will give you what I believe in, then I will come back to you with more accurate answer.

He knows them, but he didn't define them.

So he didn't choose who will pass and who will fail. That is our choice. That is clear in Quran and that is what I know and sure of.

And because he knowladge then knows our choices. You will say if he knows then he choosed who will pass and who will fail, but I will say not neccessary, knowladge has nothing to do with the choices itself. And how does he knows is not comparible to ours. Because he is different.

Also we don't know what GOD knows, so it is your choice that defines your fate.

You may ask if he knows why didn't he change our choice to make us all believers.

The answer is so what is the use of the creation and human life if that is the case. He give you mind to think and give the free well to choose. If he choose every one to be beliver then it will not make any sense.


He is incapable of making people in such a way that they will pass?
Sure he can. He already created other creatures that always pass the test. But he chooses humans to give them the free will to choose. So he created you , with the ability to choose.

You say I will be punished for not believing in him? So you are more likely to pass the test if you are born to Muslim parents? Do you believe that that is a fair test?

Not every Muslim porn is a believer. I know many who were porn to Muslim parents and only knows from Islam its name. So being porn to Muslim parents doesn't make any difference except that it make your test harder, because you have all the knowladge that you need around you. If you failed then you have no execuse.

The other point is the test for every one is different. So there is nothing to say that all people should go through the same process. So for example my talking to you now may be part of my and your tests. People are different, what might be a test for you may not be for others.

Also GOD say in Quran that he will not punish untill he sent a messanger. Which means if you didn't receive the message you might no be punished.
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Every thing I said has a reference in Quran. If you want I can give it to you.

I wish I was clear. I will come back to you with more details if you like.