@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidDo you have something that can give some reason to accept that as a reasonable?
Well, it's believed by 7 million followers of Jainism and an ongoing discussion among scientists:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8CdW1o9S7jE
@KellyJay saidWhy is an eternal universe unreasonable and an eternal deity reasonable? - Just because that's what you believe personally?
Do you have something that can give some reason to accept that as a reasonable?
Can you proof there was a creation event? Can you evidence an eternal God? - Time is a human construct. An eternal universe purposes that matter has always existed, in one form or another., before and after the big bang (which wasn't in itself a creation event).
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidYou dismiss all the evidence people use to date the universe, light travel, and can come up with evidence that explains what would occur if you reversed the expansion of the universe, so that it shrinks. And when all the material in the universe occupies the same space, what then?
Why is an eternal universe unreasonable and an eternal deity reasonable? - Just because that's what you believe personally?
Can you proof there was a creation event? Can you evidence an eternal God? - Time is a human construct. An eternal universe purposes that matter has always existed, in one form or another., before and after the big bang (which wasn't in itself a creation event).
You are counting on evidence, or are you just going to suggest another just-so story, or do you have something we can examine and say, 'Yes, that means that'?
@KellyJay saidWhile you dismiss all the evidence that God is dead.
You dismiss all the evidence people use to date the universe, light travel, and can come up with evidence that explains what would occur if you reversed the expansion of the universe, so that it shrinks. And when all the material in the universe occupies the same space, what then?
You are counting on evidence, or are you just going to suggest another just-so story, or do you have something we can examine and say, 'Yes, that means that'?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidYou’re trying to avoid answering, it’s okay. I won’t bother you to answer; I didn’t think you had anything to begin with.
While you dismiss all the evidence that God is dead.
@KellyJay saidI have answered you clearly Kelly. You have no problem believing in an eternal deity. Why does it irk you so much that I apply the same eternity to the universe itself? If God doesn't require a beginning, why the universe?
You’re trying to avoid answering, it’s okay. I won’t bother you to answer; I didn’t think you had anything to begin with.
I thoroughly reject the Bible (written by man, as all books are) as evidence of the eternity of God. What else have you got?!
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidClearly, no. You point to some people who share your views, and with a clip, they say what you want them to. You also make vague references to the debates others have about the topic. Neither of those is like the things I have been pointing out with informational instructions; there is no way around that one. You can sit in a room with those you agree with and think you have arrived. There is nothing about anything you have brought up that makes an eternal universe plausible; you cannot even explain that in terms of time. If there was an eternity before each moment, how could this point arrive? You see the drift in space between stars, why would any one star be visible to another if they have been flying apart forever? You have made things up with no evidence and say things like Well, maybe this happened or that to justify your stance.
I have answered you clearly Kelly. You have no problem believing in an eternal deity. Why does it irk you so much that I apply the same eternity to the universe itself? If God doesn't require a beginning, why the universe?
I thoroughly reject the Bible (written by man, as all books are) as evidence of the eternity of God. What else have you got?!
God does what God wants; He is God.
@KellyJay said7 million Jainists, some people?
Clearly, no. You point to some people who share your views, and with a clip, they say what you want them to. You also make vague references to the debates others have about the topic. Neither of those is like the things I have been pointing out with informational instructions; there is no way around that one. You can sit in a room with those you agree with and think you ...[text shortened]... ke Well, maybe this happened or that to justify your stance.
God does what God wants; He is God.
If you are genuinely open to learning about the idea of an eternal universe then read up on it. Sure, it went out of fashion for a while among scientists, but is seriously discussed in some circles. It wasn't something I made up myself on a cold Tuesday morning.
And what plausible thing have you brought to the table about an eternal God? Did I miss it?
And as I have told you before, the idea relates to an endless cycle of big bangs and big crunches. I've not claimed the stars have been drifting apart forever. As usual you apply your own reasoning without really listening what has been said to you.
Big bang, big crunch, big bang, big crunch, big bang, big crunch. - Matter has always existed, in one form or another. The universe is eternal.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidNumbers do not matter so yes some people truth is not true due to poll.
7 million Jainists, some people?
If you are genuinely open to learning about the idea of an eternal universe then read up on it. Sure, it went out of fashion for a while among scientists, but is seriously discussed in some circles. It wasn't something I made up myself on a cold Tuesday morning.
And what plausible thing have you brought to the table about an ete ...[text shortened]... big bang, big crunch. - Matter has always existed, in one form or another. The universe is eternal.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI am a young earth creationist but totally believe I can not prove any age, and try to focus on processes, is this viable, given any amount of time, because I don’t know how much there has been since the start of time.
7 million Jainists, some people?
If you are genuinely open to learning about the idea of an eternal universe then read up on it. Sure, it went out of fashion for a while among scientists, but is seriously discussed in some circles. It wasn't something I made up myself on a cold Tuesday morning.
And what plausible thing have you brought to the table about an ete ...[text shortened]... big bang, big crunch. - Matter has always existed, in one form or another. The universe is eternal.
@KellyJay saidAgreed. The number of adherents to your own faith do not matter.
Numbers do not matter so yes some people truth is not true due to poll.
@KellyJay saidAll evidence indicates an old Earth. Why have you closed your ears and eyes to this?
I am a young earth creationist but totally believe I can not prove any age, and try to focus on processes, is this viable, given any amount of time, because I don’t know how much there has been since the start of time.