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The person who can believe and does not believe when there is God, then that person can lose his or her soul. A person who believes, but is wrong about Who God is will can also lose his or her soul.
A person who believes in God and finds out that he or she is believing in the correct God has their soul to thrive.
Those who are wrong can have the most to lose. Why take that chance to start with? Whoever God is will be required of Christians also.
We need to know who God is Now! before it is too late.
Originally posted by SuzianneWhat misogyny?
Why don't you answer this question about your own forum habits, as this is apparently your OWN forum M.O.: "All misogyny, all the time!" Why do you insist on deflecting attention and hiding behind your own faults by accusing others of the very same thing? As Andy said, "You beat all, you know that?"
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We can all blame other people for their faults. But when it comes to God, we can only blame ourselves for what we did or did not do. It is easy to complain about other people, but the bible tells me that I will have to answer to God if I did not believe in Christ. If I do put faith in Christ for my salvation and Christ saves me and gives me eternal life, then I may have to answer to Christ for what I did and did not do, but my soul will be saved from eternal punishment.
Ultimately, it is better for us to take a chance on God than take a chance on punishment. As for Christ, He died because God loved us. John 3: 16 in the King James Version of the Holy Bible.
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Originally posted by KingOnPointIt's interesting that you direct this nugget about what "the Bible tells [you]" at me ~ and not at those believers in Christ and believers the Bible who, as you put it, find it rather easy to complain about other people.
We can all blame other people for their faults. But when it comes to God, we can only blame ourselves for what we did or did not do. It is easy to complain about other people, but the bible tells me that I will have to answer to God if I did not believe in Christ.
Originally posted by KingOnPointYes, I have encountered this Christian notion of "eternal punishment" before and quite frankly it doesn't add the edge to your reprimand that you may like to think it does.
If I do put faith in Christ for my salvation and Christ saves me and gives me eternal life, then I may have to answer to Christ for what I did and did not do, but my soul will be saved from eternal punishment.
Originally posted by KingOnPointFMF has said he was a Christian and has decided to defy the living God. There is not much we can say that I believe will change his stubborn mind. It is just too bad.
FMF
We can all blame other people for their faults. But when it comes to God, we can only blame ourselves for what we did or did not do. It is easy to complain about other people, but the bible tells me that I will have to answer to God if I did not believe in Christ. If I do put faith in Christ for my salvation and Christ saves me and gives me etern ...[text shortened]... r Christ, He died because God loved us. John 3: 16 in the King James Version of the Holy Bible.
Originally posted by RJHindsKingOnPoint appears to be saying that Christians can blame other people for their faults and complain about them and get "eternal life" regardless simply as a result of thinking something, but that those who don't believe that Christ sacrificed himself so that his followers could do things like criticize others on an internet message board ~ ex-Christians like me ~ will receive "eternal punishment". It's a pretty far-fetched ideology.
FMF has said he was a Christian and has decided to defy the living God. There is not much we can say that I believe will change his stubborn mind. It is just too bad.
Originally posted by KingOnPointPascal's wager ... belongs in a separate thread. Yer off topic here, KoP.
The person who can believe and does not believe when there is God, then that person can lose his or her soul. A person who believes, but is wrong about Who God is will can also lose his or her soul.
A person who believes in God and finds out that he or she is believing in the correct God has their soul to thrive.
Those who are wrong can have the m ...[text shortened]... s will be required of Christians also.
We need to know who God is Now! before it is too late.
Originally posted by FMFIn my opinion you would do best to stop blaming others and take responsibility for your own actions and repent of what you know is wrong and ask God for forgiveness. Christ has done the hard stuff for you already. The easy stuff is up to you.
KingOnPoint appears to be saying that Christians can blame other people for their faults and complain about them and get "eternal life" regardless simply as a result of thinking something, but that those who don't believe that Christ sacrificed himself so that his followers could do things like criticize others on an internet message board ~ ex-Christians like me ~ will receive "eternal punishment". It's a pretty far-fetched ideology.
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Originally posted by FMFFMF,
KingOnPoint appears to be saying that Christians can blame other people for their faults and complain about them and get "eternal life" regardless simply as a result of thinking something, but that those who don't believe that Christ sacrificed himself so that his followers could do things like criticize others on an internet message board ~ ex-Christians like me ~ will receive "eternal punishment". It's a pretty far-fetched ideology.
I did not say what you think that I appear to be saying. Christ desires perfection in a Christian, but does not require it for a Christian to have eternal life. Christ requires faith in Him as Savior. And the eternal life given to the sinner is a "gift." The gift of eternal life is not earned either. And that gift is given along with a sinner becoming a child of God while that sinner is still living on the earth. A sinner does not have to wait until after death to find out whether or not he or she is saved.
Based on the bible, if Christians are depending on their good works to get to heaven, then they have already blown it. If they have to not complain about people, then how many Christians do you think have not complained about people. Are you thinking that in order to go to heaven, according to the bible, that Christians have to not complain about other people? Even Christ told certain scribes and Pharisees that they were hypocrites based on Matthew 23: 13-15 and Matthew 23: 23, 25, 27, 29.
You don't seem to understand what Christ did for Christians according to the bible if you think that Christians are required to not complain about people to go to heaven. The reason why Christians are not to be unloving to people is because Christ supported being loving. Christians can criticize other people without sinning. Loving someone and criticizing someone can be two different things. You and I can criticize others without the criticizing being sin in itself.
Christ supported love for neighbors and enemies:
King James Version
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Luke 6: 27
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Mark 12: 29-34a
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.
Now, if you think that Christians are to be loving to everyone always to get to heaven, then again, you don't seem to understand that people are sinners and that everyone sins constantly. First of all, a person must be "Not a Sinner to begin with", and then, the same person must never sin at all to be acceptable to God for righteousness. Even if a person could not be a Sinner Already to start with, once that person sins just one sin, that person is unfit for heaven. Without Christ, that person is condemned. Striving to not sin is fine, but no sinful human can do that in themselves while they have the sinful nature in themselves. Fortunately, no Christian is demanded to be sinless just to get into heaven.
What Christ wants is love to God, neighbors, and enemies. Christ never said to not criticize someone else. Sinning is against God, but criticizing doesn't have to be sin against God. However, the requirements of God, Yahweh, are for believers in Christ and for unbelievers in Christ as well. However, no matter how many sins an unbeliever never does, that unbeliever will not go to heaven just because he or she did not sin many sins.
Finally, there is joy in heaven over a sinner who repents based on:
Luke 15: 7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Originally posted by KingOnPointYou don't seem to understand what Christ did for Christians according to the bible if you think that Christians are required to not complain about people to go to heaven. The reason why Christians are not to be unloving to people is because Christ supported being loving. Christians can criticize other people without sinning. Loving someone and criticizing someone can be two different things. You and I can criticize others without the criticizing being sin in itself.
I was responding to your words not to the Bible. If you think it's ok for me to criticize others on a debate and discussion forum, then I agree, so I don't really know why you're going on about it. I get criticized all the time and I don't mind. If you genuinely believe that "Christians are not to be unloving to people [...] because Christ supported being loving" then you ought to remind Christians of this as it applies to them and not to non-Christians.
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Originally posted by KingOnPointI have said nothing of the sort. The only "sins" I have committed are in your mind. If you think I have acted in a way that you regard as a transgression of your God figure's will, then that is a personal, subjective matter for you and other people with your beliefs. I am very familiar with the Christian notions of "sinning" and "heaven".
Now, if you think that Christians are to be loving to everyone always to get to heaven, then again, you don't seem to understand that people are sinners and that everyone sins constantly.
Originally posted by KingOnPointI can assure you, in the best part of the decade I have spent here in this community, while making all manner of observations and criticisms myself, I have never once accused anyone here of "sinning" when they criticized me.
What Christ wants is love to God, neighbors, and enemies. Christ never said to not criticize someone else. Sinning is against God, but criticizing doesn't have to be sin against God.
Originally posted by KingOnPointI don't think anyone "goes to heaven". What I do think is there's nothing wrong with people complaining about each other on a message board as long as they are willing to accept that others will complain about them too. I don't think any of this has anything to do with Christians declaring themselves to be immortal.
Are you thinking that in order to go to heaven, according to the bible, that Christians have to not complain about other people?