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Originally posted by bill718Well then, tell me how it works.
You are falling into an age old trap. Your trying to use human logic to deal with the subject of God. It dosen't work that way.
Originally posted by black beetle"It ain't necessarily so -I had the feeling you were the one who was not willing to take me up on it"
Edit: "I started this thread in hopes of having a discussion with those who deny the existence of God by asking a very simple question, but it seems that no one is willing to take me up on it."
It ain't necessarily so -I had the feeling you were the one who was not willing to take me up on it
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Originally posted by black beetleThe reason I didn't reply to this post in the first place is because it makes no sense and has nothing to do with the structure of how I framed the debate.
For starters I would have to define God, and then I would have to recognize the existence of this specific epistemic object. This epistemic object (God) would have to be identical to a completely expressible observer that contains an exchangeable and finite packet of physical information
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Originally posted by josephwOK...it works this way. "Faith"...that's the only way it can work. One day, after the crusifiction a man named Thomas did not recognize Jesus. Thomas said (pharaphrased) "Unless I see the nail marks in your hands I will not believe it is you." Upon showing Thomas the marks, Jesus said "You see, and now believe, blessed are those who do not see, and yet believe"
Well then, tell me how it works.
Originally posted by josephwYour question was:
The reason I didn't reply to this post in the first place is because it makes no sense and has nothing to do with the structure of how I framed the debate.
If there were a God/Creator, how would you know?
Your need for a definition of God is irrelevant. Let's say God was a big green hairy bug. How would you know it existed and was big, green, and hairy ...[text shortened]... od and then tell me how you came by that knowledge. I'd be very interested in hearing it.
.Originally posted by josephwThere is an issue here, with all of us.
The reason I didn't reply to this post in the first place is because it makes no sense and has nothing to do with the structure of how I framed the debate.
If there were a God/Creator, how would you know?
Your need for a definition of God is irrelevant. Let's say God was a big green hairy bug. How would you know it existed and was big, green, and hair ...[text shortened]... od and then tell me how you came by that knowledge. I'd be very interested in hearing it.
Originally posted by mikelomDoesn't matter what you believe, s**t will happen either way... 😵
There is an issue here, with all of us.
Beliefs are constraints.
Can we be in two places at once?
For the scientist (quantum guy like me) the answer is yes.
The larger side of life is : : "Do we really need to find these answers now, and not be content with what we have and give the best to out neighbours?"
We quantum guys will pass thru holes ...[text shortened]... r petty arguing about how u are going to die and what u take with you. May your God go with u.
Originally posted by bill718OK...it works this way. "Faith"...that's the only way it can work. One day, after the crusifiction
OK...it works this way. "Faith"...that's the only way it can work. One day, after the crusifiction a man named Thomas did not recognize Jesus. Thomas said (pharaphrased) "Unless I see the nail marks in your hands I will not believe it is you." Upon showing Thomas the marks, Jesus said "You see, and now believe, blessed are those who do not see, and yet belie ic). So forget about trying to find a logical conclusion regarding God. There isn't one.
Originally posted by mikelom"We quantum guys will pass thru holes u know nothing about in your petty arguing about how u are going to die and what u take with you. May your God go with u."
There is an issue here, with all of us.
Beliefs are constraints.
Can we be in two places at once?
For the scientist (quantum guy like me) the answer is yes.
The larger side of life is : : "Do we really need to find these answers now, and not be content with what we have and give the best to out neighbours?"
We quantum guys will pass thru holes ...[text shortened]... r petty arguing about how u are going to die and what u take with you. May your God go with u.
Originally posted by black beetleYou must be inadvertently misunderstanding the purpose of my question.
Your question was:
-- "If there were a God/ Creator, how would you know?"
My answer is:
-- "For starters I would have to define God, and then I would have to recognize the existence of this specific epistemic object. This epistemic object (God) would have to be identical to a completely expressible observer that contains an exchangeable and finite pa ...[text shortened]... tity you defined as "god/ big green hairy bug" is a product of your own mind alone
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Originally posted by josephwIf a schizophrenic preacher convinced he heard god every day and his flock believed him, does the flock feel the presence of god?
How do you know you exist?
By your senses, right?
Then why can't your senses tell you there is a creator by the existence of creation?
Why assume that the universe came into existence without a cause?
Originally posted by josephwYou want to compare apples with peaches.
[b]"We quantum guys will pass thru holes u know nothing about in your petty arguing about how u are going to die and what u take with you. May your God go with u."
Well, quantum guy, I hope you don't get too dizzy way up there on your pedestal.
Did you notice how you, and everyone else failed miserably to address the question posed in this thread?
Can't handle it?[/b]
Originally posted by karoly aczelA rolling stone gathers no moss.
You want to compare apples with peaches.
How would we know if there were a creator?
Well, there is a huge difference between non-dualists and people that think god is a separate entity from creation. So for this very basic reason, we are literally in different "ballparks" and cant really get on the same page, despite talking about god.
edit:and ...[text shortened]... spite him giving you an answer to a pretty tough question. Is that how you roll ususally? 😛