Ignorance and Fear

Originally posted by twhitehead
It is true that many people have taken advantage of others ignorance and fear in order to further their own aims. However, those aims have historically included a wide variety of things including religion, political gain, monetary gain etc. Certainly communist dictators which are usually atheist are guilty of using ignorance and fear to their advantage.
...[text shortened]... and I am sure that if you thought about the claim for a moment or too, you would agree with me.

Hitler and Stalin were both Catholics.

Originally posted by 667joe
Hitler and Stalin were both Catholics.

Yes but their policies of repression were not the result of their Catholicism, but rather, the result of applied Darwinism.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes but their policies of repression were not the result of their Catholicism, but rather, the result of applied Darwinism.

Wrong! Their policies were a result of the religous view that they belonged to the correct religion and that the people that they eliminated were inferior to them even though, I am sure you will agree, the opposite was true.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes but their policies of repression were not the result of their Catholicism, but rather, the result of applied Darwinism.

The holocast was only possible because of hundreds of years of anti semitism sponsored and encouraged by the catholic church. Catholics of those days have blood on their hands.

Originally posted by 667joe
Wrong! Their policies were a result of the religous view that they belonged to the correct religion and that the people that they eliminated were inferior to them even though, I am sure you will agree, the opposite was true.1

nope, that is a ludicrous statement, Hitlers racial policies were the result, not of his religious conviction, but of an attempt to keep racial purity through not religious means, but so called scientific legitimacy. His euthanasia programs were also a direct result of an attempt to implement Darwinism. This is a fact and a legacy that you cannot escape from, no matter how you may construe it!

Originally posted by 667joe
The holocast was only possible because of hundreds of years of anti semitism sponsored and encouraged by the catholic church. Catholics of those days have blood on their hands.

sponsored by the Catholic church? what evidence?

Originally posted by 667joe
The holocast was only possible because of hundreds of years of anti semitism sponsored and encouraged by the catholic church. Catholics of those days have blood on their hands.

In his book, Three Popes and the Jews, Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide has asserted, "The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands." Lapide adds that this "figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue organizations combined."

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dave-pierre/2009/12/25/james-carroll-exploits-holocaust-lies-again-about-catholic-church#ixzz0e1lJRUjJ

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
In his book, Three Popes and the Jews, Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide has asserted, "The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands." Lapide adds that this "figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue organizations comb ...[text shortened]... e/2009/12/25/james-carroll-exploits-holocaust-lies-again-about-catholic-church#ixzz0e1lJRUjJ

Not all Catholics were bad. That still leaves 6 million dead. Do you deny that Catholics and Protestants in Europe were anti semetic?

Originally posted by 667joe
Not all Catholics were bad. That still leaves 6 million dead. Do you deny that Catholics and Protestants in Europe were anti semetic?

Look Joe Joe, i am Jehovahs witness, we were also killed in Nazi concentration camps, i have no sympathies with either Catholics nor Protestants, but religious factors pale into insignificance when one looks at the legacy of applied Darwinism. In fact i may even assert that it was the abandonment of religious principles which were supplanted by an adherence to purely materialistic agencies which was the main culprit, the legacy of which reverberates down to us even today.

You must understand that for many, religion is just an empty formalism, it has no power, it is a form of godly devotion, nothing else, a semblance, thus when something of greater import comes along, its principles get supplanted and have no effect.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Look Joe Joe, i am Jehovahs witness, we were also killed in Nazi concentration camps, i have no sympathies with either Catholics nor Protestants, but religious factors pale into insignificance when one looks at the legacy of applied Darwinism. In fact i may even assert that it was the abandonment of religious principles which were supplanted by an a ...[text shortened]... tic agencies which was the main culprit, the legacy of which reverberates down to us even today.

Robbie, you can say what you want, but you are wrong! Religious intolerance and a superiority complex fostered by religious beliefs led to the holocost. Charles Darwin had nothing whatever to do with it. Fanatics think they have the license of God and feel justified in their actions. Ancient Hebrews felt justified wiping out indigenis populations when they took over Israel. The Christians felt justified wiping out Moslems in the Crusades and the Moslems today feel justified when they fly into buildings and kill innocents today. A pox on them all!

Originally posted by 667joe
Robbie, you can say what you want, but you are wrong! Religious intolerance and a superiority complex fostered by religious beliefs led to the holocost. Charles Darwin had nothing whatever to do with it. Fanatics think they have the license of God and feel justified in their actions. Ancient Hebrews felt justified wiping out indigenis populations when th ...[text shortened]... today feel justified when they fly into buildings and kill innocents today. A pox on them all!

if you are going to condemn al of those then you should also condemn a purely materialistic point of view, for it has contributed to more ignorance and fear than the meanest medieval church, culminating in the holocaust, it has fomented greed and war, depletion of the planet, euthanasia programs and racialist policies, imperialism and subjugation of free people and untold misery for millions. a pox on them all!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if you are going to condemn al of those then you should also condemn a purely materialistic point of view, for it has contributed to more ignorance and fear than the meanest medieval church, culminating in the holocaust, it has fomented greed and war, depletion of the planet, euthanasia programs and racialist policies, imperialism and subjugation of free people and untold misery for millions. a pox on them all!

As far as I know, witches were burned with the approval and encouragement of religious authorities doing work of god. Just as Zeus and Baal are no longer being taken seriously, the belief in your supernatural friend in the sky is also fading. Some day most people will view the god of today the way we view Zeus. Progress is inexorable. There was a time when God was universal. It's called the Dark Ages! You, my friend, are lingering in the dark ages.

Originally posted by 667joe
Wrong! Their policies were a result of the religous view that they belonged to the correct religion and that the people that they eliminated were inferior to them even though, I am sure you will agree, the opposite was true.

No. One thing about the Catholic Church is that its anti-Semitism, although lamentable, was only ever religious, not racial. The Catholic Church always accepted Jewish converts. In contrast, Hitler did not. He was motivated by a desire to advance the Aryan race and remove supposedly inferior races such as the Jews. Consequently, he killed Jews even if they were Catholics (for example, St Edith Stein.) His racism was at odds with Catholicism.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if you are going to condemn al of those then you should also condemn a purely materialistic point of view, for it has contributed to more ignorance and fear than the meanest medieval church, culminating in the holocaust, it has fomented greed and war, depletion of the planet, euthanasia programs and racialist policies, imperialism and subjugation of free people and untold misery for millions. a pox on them all!

Religion doesn't exactly come out smelling of roses though does it Rob?

Originally posted by 667joe
Hitler and Stalin were both Catholics.

You probably are not very familiar with history. The idea that any prominent Russian would have been Catholic is ludicrous in itself. Stalin was actually Georgian Orthodox, not Catholic.