Originally posted by SmoothCowboyNo, its not that simple. I doubt that any country in the world holds a vote over what is put on the money.
If you want it removed vote that way. If not,vote the other way. That is how it is supposed to work isn't it?
Most democracies reserve country wide voting to choosing the key figures in government, including which party controls the government. Smaller issues are rarely hardly via a vote, and when they are it is usually a vote amongst representatives.
In this particular case it probably would require a court case to prove it was unconstitutional, or simply political pressure to get the govt to remove it.
Originally posted by KellyJayYou sound like a child. "I cant have what I want, so I wont let you have anything either".
As a Christian I want all people to go to church, since I'm not likey
going to get what I want, why should you?
Kelly
Or did you mean "I am incapable of achieving my goals so we should all give up since we cant do anything."
Or did I misunderstand you?
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Originally posted by 667joeAs a theist, I want the words IN GOD WE TRUST removed from our coins and currency. It has no place there.
As an atheist I want the "IN GOD WE TRUST" motto removed from our money. Our money should not reflect any religious view at all. To my theist friends, how would you feel if our money promoted atheism? If our money does not promote theism or atheism, perhaps we can all be happy!
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomwe tried that. it became obvious that bringing an ox to market to buy a loaf of bread was inconvenient.
dont you think if we traded only goods and services instead of useless paper that our world would prosper more? nobody would own anything useless.
Originally posted by Badwaterand yes, i want them removed too.
As a theist, I want the words IN GOD WE TRUST removed from our coins and currency. It has no place there.
not only it discriminates against atheist, but some muslims or some hindus might object as well. why not write "in allah we trust". or "in brahma, vishnu, shiva we trust"
Originally posted by SmoothCowboyThe motto had absolutely nothing to do with the shaping of a healthy nation. We became a healthy nation entirely without it, as the motto didn't first appear until 1864. The nation did just fine for its first 180 years without the motto on its currency. I fail to see how the adoption of a divisive motto, which disenfranchises a significant minority of its population, makes for a healthy nation.
If you want it removed vote that way. If not,vote the other way. That is how it is supposed to work isn't it?
It does promote theism. Wonder what they had in mind when they did that? I suppose this kind of influence did help shape a healthy nation.(I am not for state endorsed religion btw.)
Originally posted by rwingett"all my life i have been searching for god. and he was right in my pocket." i fail to see any benefit of having the God belief shouted on every dollar.
The motto had absolutely nothing to do with the shaping of a healthy nation. We became a healthy nation entirely without it, as the motto didn't first appear until 1864. The nation did just fine for its first 180 years without the motto on its currency. I fail to see how the adoption of a divisive motto, which disenfranchises a significant minority of its population, makes for a healthy nation.
and on a side note and this is totally ironic as i am sure the person with the "in god we trust" idea was christian. jesus preached humility and forsaking earthly possessions. and where do we choose to put our statement of faith? on the money Jesus told us: "it would be better if you don't make them your life goal". i find this hilarious and scary as to how americans can allow stupid people into positions of power.
Originally posted by SmoothCowboyIf you want it removed vote that way. If not,vote the other way. That is how it is supposed to work isn't it?
If you want it removed vote that way. If not,vote the other way. That is how it is supposed to work isn't it?
It does promote theism. Wonder what they had in mind when they did that? I suppose this kind of influence did help shape a healthy nation.(I am not for state endorsed religion btw.)
So this is how it is supposed to work, is it? That a country that has separation of church and state as one of its core commitments is supposed to entertain votes about whether or not to put such a motto on its currency?
I guess I don't really care too much, but the motto is rather ridiculous and should be scrapped. I mean, "In God we trust"? Is it possible to have a sillier motto? 🙄
It does promote theism. Wonder what they had in mind when they did that? I suppose this kind of influence did help shape a healthy nation.
Somehow I doubt the motto has had much to do with shaping a healthy nation. Basically, we initially slapped it on some coinage in attempt to remind everyone that we aren't just some "heathen nation" -- and this was of course at a time when our country wasn't exactly the model of unity and peace. Later we slapped it on our paper money and made it the national motto when we wanted to appear to distance ourselves from the commis. I also doubt it has had much to do with "promoting theism" per se. The religious nutters who want the motto on our money get to sit and admire the situation; then there's a bunch who don't much give a fig about it; then there's the group who are generally offended by the motto. How is that any sort of real recipe for promoting theism?
Originally posted by 667joeI'll pm you my address, and you can mail me all of your unwanted currency...just trying to be helpful
As an atheist I want the "IN GOD WE TRUST" motto removed from our money. Our money should not reflect any religious view at all. To my theist friends, how would you feel if our money promoted atheism? If our money does not promote theism or atheism, perhaps we can all be happy!
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Originally posted by duecerWant to help? Then remove the offending phrase and send the money back to him.
I'll pm you my address, and you can mail me all of your unwanted currency...just trying to be helpful
To put the word God on money is an insult to religion. The love of money is the root of all evil. The phrase should be removed.
Originally posted by LemonJelloI'm not sure the USA "has separation of church and state as one of its core commitments". Why do you think this?
[b]If you want it removed vote that way. If not,vote the other way. That is how it is supposed to work isn't it?
So this is how it is supposed to work, is it? That a country that has separation of church and state as one of its core commitments is supposed to entertain votes about whether or not to put such a motto on its currency?
I guess I ...[text shortened]... y offended by the motto. How is that any sort of real recipe for promoting theism?[/b]