21 Jan '09 23:14>2 edits
Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonaccording to your reasoning then, the person doing this, bopping you on the nose every time he passed you by was simply expressing his emotion as well, it was not unjust, it was not morally wrong for by your own definition there is no such thing, it was a simple matter of self expression, you have no recourse to complain, other than you would rather feel no pain, he on the other hand would state, i like giving pain, its a form of emotional self expression, and you , because you have no concept of morality would have to agree with him, and get punched on the nose every time he felt like it, for that is what you are saying!
[b]…what are you talking about, if someone came along and punched you on the nose for no reason, would you not then quite quickly form a sense of morality,
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No, I would quickly form a sense of anger and hate that I would then want to suppress (which, by the way, I am very fortunate at being good at doing).
I would also obviously want to ...[text shortened]... f “REASONS” are you referring to in this context? -give me an example of one of these “REASONS”.[/b]
Nuremberg trials
Principle IV
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
you will note the expression moral choice, if, as you are claiming there is no such thing, then the perpetrators of horrific acts of injustice could merely claim, i was just following orders, however, the learned gentlemen in the Nuremberg trials realized that this was not the case, that regardless of the reasons given for such and such a course of action, there was a higher and more profound moral law which superseded that of orders of state, this was an innate human faculty and came under the jurisdiction and the exercise of human conscience, that it was reasonable to expect someone to form a moral judgment as to a course of action, whether it was right or wrong. if they had reasoned as you do, and also others who do not recognize morality, then this could not have been the case, Hess, Goering and the other Nazis would simply have recourse to their stance that they were simply following orders, quite clearly this was not the case!