Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]I disagree that 3) can be discarded quite so easily because doing so rests on the assumption that it is possible to share all relevant evidence in all dialogues in this medium. I don't think that is the case.
I do not believe I said that protracted debate would inevitably lead to a comprehensive exchange of evidence; I only said that that is was I ...[text shortened]... an atheist; an atheist will seem insane to the theist. We pathologise abnormality.[/b]
I do not believe I said that protracted debate would inevitably lead to a comprehensive exchange of evidence; I only said that that is was I had meant when I had used the word 'protracted'. It is not really important to me whether or not protracted debate achieves this.
What you said was:
"By 'protracted', I had assumed that all evidence would have been shared."
...and I questioned the validity of that assumption. Now you say it isn't important whether or not protracted debate does in fact facilitate a total sharing of evidence. But in that case, you can't really discard 3).
I don't believe I said that everyone does that.
What you said was:
"I think I have seen everyone on this forum reach that conclusion at some point."
..and:
"In the heat of the moment, everyone on this forum is likely to accuse their opponent of some mental defect."
Both of these claims seem to over-egg the pudding to me. So although my challenge might be pedantic, it doesn't seem to be unfounded, as you seem to be making out here.
Firstly, I certainly did not say that disagreement indicates unintelligence. That was not my claim. I have suggested many other possible conclusions.
That's true, I just picked one from an unedifying parade.
Secondly, and I think this is the very crux of the dispute, we just have different views of language.
I agree that this is the crux but I disagree with your analysis. You see, I am also a constructivist regarding language, so I doubt you are thinking more from that view.
I think people who accuse their interlocutors of lacking intelligence on these threads are not using the term in some way that is constructed around the specific discourse or the context of a MB debate though. Rather, I think they use the term in a way that competent speakers of English understand it. I doubt very much whether your notion of intelligence differs that much from mine. I'm just not signed up to using these dialogues as a proxy for a measure of intelligence, at all.
You conflated sanity and intellect using an umbrella of people's cognitive capacities. I agree with you that people pathologise abnormality, whether via a cognitive deficiency regarding forms of intelligence, or via characteristics of mental illness, like delusion. But why join in?