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Originally posted by sonshipI usually have a bible right on my printer table but it has misplaced itself. When I find it, I'll look. You think of me as an atheist and for the most part you are right, in that I think the bible god is bollocks, no real god would be that insane. I can't deny the possibility of a real god out there but if there is, it is clear to me it has a total hands off attitude towards humans.
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Originally posted by sonhouse"One of the Most Articulate & Calmly Stated Position Posts of the Week"
I usually have a bible right on my printer table but it has misplaced itself. When I find it, I'll look. You think of me as an atheist and for the most part you are right, in that I think the bible god is bollocks, no real god would be that insane. I can't deny the possibility of a real god out there but if there is, it is clear to me it has a total hands o ...[text shortened]... nda aren't really do-gooders at all, just thinking this is what you do to get into heaven.
I can't deny the possibility of a real god out there but if there is, it is clear to me it has a total hands off attitude towards humans.
Maybe that god is more enamored of a much more advanced race out there somewhere in this universe or another that is much more deserving of the attention of a real god.
I don't think humans rate the attention of a god.
We are on our own, and right now just as vulnerable as the dinosaurs to climatic disasters or a mile wide asteroid strike on Earth. There will be no god coming down to fix our boo boos as I have said often before.
Originally posted by sonshipSo you figure the plagues of a thousand years ago or the influenza outbreak of the early 20th century where literally millions of people died just from those two diseases was the result of your loving god going, you tick me off? BTW, low self esteem is not one of my problems, if anything I would tend to arrogance.I can't deny the possibility of a real god out there but if there is, it is clear to me it has a total hands off attitude towards humans.
Whereas you see "total hands off" I see that God wants a relationship with the man He created.
Now the issue is how close a relationship would that be ?
I think it is more than creature to this is something more than fixing boo boos in some very superficial cartoonish way.
So you figure the plagues of a thousand years ago or the influenza outbreak of the early 20th century where literally millions of people died just from those two diseases was the result of your loving god going, you tick me off?
BTW, low self esteem is not one of my problems, if anything I would tend to arrogance.
Originally posted by sonhouseI hope you get a chance to test it out. I think I would just soon buy a set of binoculars and use them only when I need them.
I would prefer octo's any day. Or an Eagle. They have built in binoculars. At least 10 times the resolution of humans.
Originally posted by stellspalfieWhen you design something, it either does what you want or not. If it does
its 10:45 gmt........intelligent design question time!!!!!!
why can eyes trick ears? sound is a physical thing, it enters the ears in a fixed pattern, if so why would god design us so our eyes via the brain can change what we hear??? wouldnt it be better to just hear what we hear? cutting down on confusion. is their any logical reason to for us to hear what we see rather than hear what we hear??? all rather odd, dont ya'think.
Originally posted by KellyJaythe question makes is based on an incorrect statement.
When you design something, it either does what you want or not. If it does
what you want, but does not do everything it could if you designed it
differently would that make the design flawed?
Kelly
Originally posted by stellspalfieWell than you did not design something you really wanted now did you?
the question makes is based on an incorrect statement.
[b]"When you design something, it either does what you want or not."
this simply isnt true. things are not always black and white and you are failing to take into consideration quality of design. for example i could design something that does all the things i need it to, but it may use too ...[text shortened]... o much stress and wear out. design success is to complex to simply say 'does it work or not'[/b]
Originally posted by KellyJay"Well than you did not design something you really wanted now did you?"
Well than you did not design something you really wanted now did you?
To call something bad just because you would want it done differently is
also a bad idea, if no one else can come close to making one like it. Do you
have the know how to design a life form that can reproduce itself for years
upon years, that can hear, see, taste, feel, and so on?
Kelly
Originally posted by stellspalfieSo you now understand in a universe wear all things fall apart that the
[b]"Well than you did not design something you really wanted now did you?"
again this is too simplistic thinking. just because something has a flaw, doesnt mean you dont need it. something can function to a decent level and be useful and also have design flaws. im sure your house is full of electrical items that will break at some point because t ...[text shortened]... hen it crashes.
you dont have to be able to make a human eye to know that it has many flaws.[/b]
Originally posted by KellyJayIn other words, your designer COULDN'T design us better than it did? So it is a limited designer? Not infinitely powerful as you thought?
So you now understand in a universe wear all things fall apart that the
perfect design will have to wait till the perfect is come?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaythats as vague as something vague smeared between two slices of vague and served with a side salad of vague, followed by grandma's homemade vague pie and cream......a universe where all things fall apart? what does this mean? who, what...huh? are you talking about thermodynamics? what is the 'perfect'? god? is it going to make everything perfect? is that even possible? im pretty sure its not going to be perfect for me.
So you now understand in a universe wear all things fall apart that the
perfect design will have to wait till the perfect is come?
Kelly