@pb1022 saidDo you believe everything you read? Hmm no, apparently not because you said you'd read a lot of stuff about evolution as well, despite repeatedly claiming that it is the 'biggest scientific fraud of the 21st- and 20th centuries' (sic). Or maybe you were lying when you said that?
Like I’d waste my time looking.
Still claiming to have read the Gospels “a bunch of times” after becoming an atheist when you don’t believe them and find them so objectionable you can only tolerate reading small quantities at a time?
Go on. Think of another lie to explain that one lol.
I’d suggest you stop trying to win arguments by any means necessary and start using ...[text shortened]... at rack.
Dr. PB1022 says less talking and more listening is the right forum prescription for you.
"Dr. PB1022" !
@avalanchethecat saidWasn’t lying at all.
Do you believe everything you read? Hmm no, apparently not because you said you'd read a lot of stuff about evolution as well, despite repeatedly claiming that it is the 'biggest scientific fraud of the 21st- and 20th centuries' (sic). Or maybe you were lying when you said that?
"Dr. PB1022" !
But I don’t read the same texts “a bunch of times” after concluding they’re false.
What say you, skipper?
Why read the same texts “a bunch of times” after you’ve already concluded you don’t believe them?
Hmmmm?
@avalanchethecat saidI'm sorry, but didn't you say if we didn't know everything, we couldn't know anything? So all assertions on what is and isn't a fraud wouldn't that also be part and parcel part of anything?
Do you believe everything you read? Hmm no, apparently not because you said you'd read a lot of stuff about evolution as well, despite repeatedly claiming that it is the 'biggest scientific fraud of the 21st- and 20th centuries' (sic). Or maybe you were lying when you said that?
"Dr. PB1022" !
@pb1022 saidAncient historical documents contain a lot more than you appear to understand, DrPB1022, and yes, I have read them a bunch of times since realising that I didn't believe in the christian god. Maybe if you re-read the texts you've studied on evolution you'd have a better understanding of the current state of the theory.
Wasn’t lying at all.
But I don’t read the same texts “a bunch of times” after concluding they’re false.
What say you, skipper?
Why read the same texts “a bunch of times” after you’ve already concluded you don’t believe them?
Hmmmm?
Now if you'd care to clarify, Doctor, when you said that "Based on your knowledge of the Holy Bible as displayed in this forum, I would say this is also false", to what, specifically, were you referring?
@kellyjay saidNo, I didn't say that. I could, if you like, re-post what I did say if you require clarification?
I'm sorry, but didn't you say if we didn't know everything, we couldn't know anything? So all assertions on what is and isn't a fraud wouldn't that also be part and parcel part of anything?
@avalanchethecat saidbump
"How do you tell the difference between something that requires intelligence and what doesn’t?"
Unless you know everything, you can't.
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@kellyjay saidDo you mean human-like goals, human-like thoughts, human-like intent, and human-like aspirations? Do you also believe that this creator entity is prone to anger, vengefulness, jealousy and other human-like traits? Is that what the perplexity of the mechanics of life make you think about a creator entity, if there is one, from your vantage point here on Earth?
It means mindlessness without thought, goals, asperations. Tying it to me or creationists has more to do with you than me. The word carries the same meaning if I used it or never did. You are the one redefining it not me.
@kellyjay saidI believe evolution (and cosmology) IS by design, and not "mindless" at all.
It is mindlessness versus design, nothing more, nothing less. I am a Christian; I believe that God created the universe; this conversation isn't about either of those two things, its design, and mindless processes; what can we see, what can we know by those things we are aware of in life in the here now.
@fmf saidMindlessness hasn't any goals, plans, desires, no successes, failures, no targets to hit, no desire to improve, no desire to stay in a steady-state, no asperations for improvement, no wondering what to do next, no record of what was done in the past for referral, no plan for what to do in the future.
Do you mean human-like goals, human-like thoughts, human-like intent, and human-like aspirations? Do you also believe that this creator entity is prone to anger, vengefulness, jealousy and other human-like traits? Is that what the perplexity of the mechanics of life make you think about a creator entity, if there is one, from your vantage point here on Earth?
@kellyjay saidSo, I will ask again. From your vantage point here on Earth, among humans, do you mean human-like goals, human-like plans, human-like desires, human-like "wondering what to do next", and human-like aspirations?
Mindlessness hasn't any goals, plans, desires, no successes, failures, no targets to hit, no desire to improve, no desire to stay in a steady-state, no asperations for improvement, no wondering what to do next, no record of what was done in the past for referral, no plan for what to do in the future.
@fmf saidGoals, plans, desires, aspirations you need these to be looked up for you and explained?
So, I will ask again. From your vantage point here on Earth, among humans, do you mean human-like goals, human-like plans, human-like desires, human-like "wondering what to do next", and human-like aspirations?
@kellyjay saidNo, I know what they mean. But I am still asking you to answer my specific question. Are you seeking to superimpose human notions of intents, goals, plans, desires, and aspirations onto some kind of anthropomorphized version of a creator entity and the mechanics of life?
Goals, plans, desires, aspirations you need these to be looked up for you and explained?
@fmf saidAnd then, does it have to have communicated or revealed its human-like wishes, threats, promises, and rewards, to human beings here on Earth?
If there is a creator entity that explains the mechanics of life, does it have to have what are, basically, human attributes, psychologically speaking?