Is Atheism Dead ?

@kellyjay said
Do you think there was some hidden meaning or something beyond that?

From the way you are reacting, I think you typed it without thinking about what you were saying. And now you are too proud to define what you meant by it because it most likely won't withstand scrutiny.

@fmf said
I concur with what you said here - especially when it comes to human consciousness - which is a deeply complex topic that science is still tackling in an interdisciplinary way. My own observations about human consciousness, as it happens, don't depend on references to supernatural causality, but ~ like you ~ I freely accept the possibility that I am wrong. Meanwhile, I think that 'not believing in supernatural causality' creates no moral predicament or hazard for me.

KellyJay, does the post above by me suggest that I have "zero concerns" about the mysteries of the human consciousness?

-Removed-

Cut the BS.

We all know you support your bud rocking up in here out of the blue, but I find his abject need to re-build his 'forum cred' by attacking KJ, all over again, in the same style as you've both done many many times before, completely and utterly self-serving.

You know, like masturbation.

Get my point yet, or do I have to explain it to you again and again, as usual, until it finally penetrates your fog of self-importance?

@pb1022 said
I already did.

What's this, another lie?

@fmf said
From the way you are reacting, I think you typed it without thinking about what you were saying. And now you are too proud to define what you meant by it because it most likely won't withstand scrutiny.

Frankly, your assessment of me is of no concern; there are many if you want to look for faults I have. You want to try and find some fault in the things I say and the meaning behind why I say them to scrutinize them; I suggest you get a hobby.

@kellyjay said
The thing I find most compelling is how it was all done. He chooses one guy Abram, he promises he will have a son in his old age before it happens; it happens. There were other kids, other predictions of what they would go through in Eygpt, and that happens. All of the events get them out, and human nature as it is, they still fall away. The long and short is people couldn't ...[text shortened]... epticism, sure, but who looks good in either the OT or NT, so the profit was what in making that up?

"...people couldn't or wouldn't write that..."

For real? Have you read anything else? How about the Illiad? Read about the impeccable behaviour of the great Greek heroes! Lol.

@fmf said
KellyJay, does the post above by me suggest that I have "zero concerns" about the mysteries of the human consciousness?

I don't care

@suzianne said
Cut the BS.

We all know you support your bud rocking up in here out of the blue, but I find his abject need to re-build his 'forum cred' by attacking KJ, all over again, in the same style as you've both done many many times before, completely and utterly self-serving.

You know, like masturbation.

Get my point yet, or do I have to explain it to you again and again, as usual, until it finally penetrates your fog of self-importance?

I'm not entirely convinced these contributions are relevant to the thread, Suzianne. Is it possible I may be detecting a vague undercurrent of hostility towards certain posters possibly based on previous interactions between you and them?

@avalanchethecat said
"...people couldn't or wouldn't write that..."

For real? Have you read anything else? How about the Illiad? Read about the impeccable behaviour of the great Greek heroes! Lol.

If I were going to make up a religion putting myself in an awful light to do it wouldn't be the route I could choose. If I were to make up a religion, I'd put all the reasons for believing out there, not riddle it with suspect behavior by those involved. I'd not use what most were considered unreliable people like those that gave witness to the major events authenticity. In the whole of the Bible, save one, their faults show glaring. Were the greek heroes the ones writing about themselves in a historical context?

@kellyjay said
If I were going to make up a religion putting myself in an awful light to do it wouldn't be the route I could choose. If I were to make up a religion, I'd put all the reasons for believing out there, not riddle it with suspect behavior by those involved. I'd not use what most were considered unreliable people like those that gave witness to the major events authenticity. In ...[text shortened]... aults show glaring. Were the greek heroes the ones writing about themselves in a historical context?

I very much doubt that the stories to which you refer were written with the intent of "making up" a religion, and I have similar reservations regarding your potential success were to attempt to do so.

The Illiad is, like many of the stories of the OT and among other things, a vehicle for lessons in morality.

@avalanchethecat said
I very much doubt that the stories to which you refer were written with the intent of "making up" a religion, and I have similar reservations regarding your potential success were to attempt to do so.

The Illiad is, like many of the stories of the OT and among other things, a vehicle for lessons in morality.

I agree there many great lessons of morality in scriptures and other stories, I found some of the things written in the Lord of the Rings inspiring, but I don't put that among historical documents.

@kellyjay said
Frankly, your assessment of me is of no concern; there are many if you want to look for faults I have. You want to try and find some fault in the things I say and the meaning behind why I say them to scrutinize them; I suggest you get a hobby.

You should be willing to stand up for what you say in public and explain it within the format of debate and discussion.

@kellyjay said
I suggest you go back and read the thread from the beginning, and maybe you can figure it out; if not, consider it just another mystery.

Is the phrase "to have zero concerns about the mysteries of the universe" some kind of religionist propaganda-synonym for "to not believe in supernatural causality"?

@kellyjay said
You have stated you don’t know the whole story concerning our lives and the universe we find ourselves in. You seem to have zero concern about the mystery and if you are wrong about the beginning, it could put yourself in a place unexpected and precarious.

Would a scientist who spends his or her life researching the mysteries of the universe have "zero concern" about them, to your way of thinking, if he was an atheist and not a theist?

@fmf said
You should be willing to stand up for what you say in public and explain it within the format of debate and discussion.

I say the things I want to when I'm talking to someone; if you want to come behind a conversation others are having and give one the third degree, we can choose to ignore you or answer; I'm not compelled to give you the time of day. If I'm willing because you ask, I'll try to respond if I think you are only being annoying, maybe not.