@kellyjay saidNo, I tend to think that if a god or gods wishes to communicate with us it won't require men to intermediate.
Why would you believe that to be true wouldn’t you want to communicate to the simpler so even a more educated should understand; moreover, to reach the most wouldn’t communicating at the earliest reach more?
@avalanchethecat saidAnd it didn’t.
No, I tend to think that if a god or gods wishes to communicate with us it won't require men to intermediate.
That’s why Jesus Christ came to earth and spent three years communicating with men and women.
@pb1022 saidSuddenly you have an interest in talking to me again? Will you be trying to justify your accusations of lying then?
And it didn’t.
That’s why Jesus Christ came to earth and spent three years communicating with men and women.
@avalanchethecat saidAgain, why?
No, I tend to think that if a god or gods wishes to communicate with us it won't require men to intermediate.
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No, I tend to think that if a god or gods wishes to communicate with us it won't require men to intermediate.
So you tend to think that IF God wanted to communicate to humans He would do something like, maybe write the message with the stars "HERE I AM. I WANT TALK TO YOU"
You think God would only do something so obviously spectacular and supernatural no human being could have possibly been involved?
As I read the Bible through I see an assortment of ways He speaks.
In the life of Elijah he was hung up on God doing only supernatural and dramatic miraculous acts of vindication.
Did you read the story of how after feeling ashamed that evil queen Jezebel so terrified him after a dramatic showdown he hid in a cave. And God showed Elijah not only was the Almighty in mountain destroying winds, consuming fire hot enough to evaporate stones or a mighty earthquake, He could speak in "a still small voice" ? (See First Kings chapter 19).
You know God can speak to us in the still small voice of our conscience?
He can speak to us by means of a fellow human being who has been subdued and submissive in obedience to God. He sometimes purposely limits Himself to needing man to cooperate that His message come through.
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@sonship saidNo, Sonship, I'm not a child. I think if a god or gods wanted to communicate with us it would do so through things such as conscience, morals and ethics, beauty and love, through what we refer to as the heart (edit - and maybe music). Perhaps it does, I don't claim the contrary. I do not think it would expect us to follow other men, I think it would expect us to find the right path within ourselves.
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No, I tend to think that if a god or gods wishes to communicate with us it won't require men to intermediate.
So you tend to think that IF God wanted to communicate to humans He would do something like, maybe write the message with the stars "HERE I AM. I WANT TALK TO YOU"
You think God would only do something ...[text shortened]... od. He sometimes purposely limits Himself to needing man to cooperate that His message come through.
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@sonship
I realize that you'll say you're not interested in discussing any Bible.
But as I read, some of those kinds of concepts common to many of us, are addressed within the books of the Bible. I keep reading. I didn't slam it shut and say "No THIS is all I want to believe."
Any way it says He spoke in many portions and in many ways.
Ultimately He spoke to man in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus - God's SPEAKING.
@sonship saidI am not interested in discussing scripture, but as I have mentioned before, I find value in much of the teachings ascribed to Jesus.
@sonship
I realize that you'll say you're not interested in discussing any Bible.
But as I read, some of those kinds of concepts common to many of us, are addressed within the books of the Bible. I keep reading. I didn't slam it shut and say "No THIS is all I want to believe."
Any way it says He spoke in many portions and in many ways.
Ultimately He spoke to man in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus - God's SPEAKING.
@avalanchethecat saidI already did.
Suddenly you have an interest in talking to me again? Will you be trying to justify your accusations of lying then?
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@avalanchethecat saidThe thing I find most compelling is how it was all done. He chooses one guy Abram, he promises he will have a son in his old age before it happens; it happens. There were other kids, other predictions of what they would go through in Eygpt, and that happens. All of the events get them out, and human nature as it is, they still fall away. The long and short is people couldn't or wouldn't write that, because it makes them look bad. Skepticism, sure, but who looks good in either the OT or NT, so the profit was what in making that up?
Men can be mistaken, men can be misled, and men can lie. If a man tells me that god has spoken to him, I will regard him and his words with justifiable scepticism.
@kellyjay saidOnly as recently as page 54, you said, with regard to your observations about the universe: "Connecting what we see with scripture cannot be done, just on what we see in the natural universe" but here you are, a few pages later, suggesting that ancient Hebrew mythology and its Christian offshoot tell "the whole story".
The thing I find most compelling is how it was all done. He chooses one guy Abram, he promises he will have a son in his old age before it happens; it happens. There were other kids, other predictions of what they would go through in Eygpt, and that happens. All of the events get them out, and human nature as it is, they still fall away. The long and short is people couldn't ...[text shortened]... epticism, sure, but who looks good in either the OT or NT, so the profit was what in making that up?