Is Disfellowship Physically and Spiritually Necessary

Originally posted by FMF
What is it you are claiming will happen to beauroberts? What is it you are claiming God will do?

That is between Jehovah and this young man. He has broken one of his laws and has been removed from the congregation. But Jehovah does forgive in time if the right steps are taken.
But one would be foolish to take Jehovahs forgiveness for granted....

Originally posted by CalJust
This is the essence of our discussion here, and the fundamental crux of our disagreement - and why I (and so many others) say you are wrong.

Of course, your logic is completely sound when you say that [b]when we have a clear word from God then all true Christians will try to obey it.

Here we, again, have no such thing. It is purely a matter of y ...[text shortened]... again, and it has discredited the many other valid and valuable doctrines of your organisation.

We know most do not see it as we do. Nothing new there and it will always be there.

Until Jehovah says differently, as he is not blind at all to our standing, we will stand firm in ABSTAINING from blood. Simple as that.

There have been many things that God's people have believed in doing or not doing all thru history and most of the world did not agree. So nothing new here either.

If blood were just another part of the human body as a heart, or lungs or feet, etc were, then you might have an arguement with us that some might listen too as this young man seems to not agree with. His decision to not accept or view as we do with the bible was his to make.

But the point is that he and most miss, is that blood is not the same as any other part of the human body in GOD'S eyes. It is different and until most ever see that, this discussion will continue for a long time.

Yes God wants us all to live, no arguement there at all. But God has never given man the permission to use blood as we see fit even if it saves anothers life. Again until one ever sees that blood is sacred to God and if it comes out of our bodies, it is to go only to the ground. No where else ever!

Also if one does not believe in God and his promise to resurrect us later on, yes this is hard for one to understand.

You either believe in Gods words completely or you are waisting your time as he will reject you according to his words in the Bible. You cannot pick and choose the laws that you like to obey and ignor others.

Originally posted by galveston75
That is between Jehovah and this young man. He has broken one of his laws and has been removed from the congregation. But Jehovah does forgive in time if the right steps are taken.
But one would be foolish to take Jehovahs forgiveness for granted....

So you are brandishing some sort of vicarious threat in your God figure's name and you can't even say what the substance of the threat is or what the supposed consequence is?

Originally posted by galveston75
There have been many things that God's people have believed in doing or not doing all thru history and most of the world did not agree. So nothing new here either.

Even though every single Christian and atheist or otherwise poster in this forum seems to disagree with you about your stance on "blood", no one is claiming you are wrong because of the number who disagree with you; I think this is self-reinforcement from within your own leadership who are telling you not to worry if the world is against you...god's people have always had the world against then etc etc etc. You really need to stop thinking like this - can't you see how it is this self-reinforcement that is driving your arguments?

People disagree with you for other reasons; these being;

- Your interpretation of the few scriptures you use about blood is wrong. You have had a detailed explanation of why.

- denying medical treatment to people who need it is morally reprehensible

- bullying people for disobeying the about morally reprehensible

In summary then, people disagree with you because what you preach is scripturally incorrect and dangerous and morally corrupt.

Originally posted by FMF
So you are brandishing some sort of vicarious threat in your God figure's name and you can't even say what the substance of the threat is or what the supposed consequence is?

Are you serious?

Originally posted by divegeester
Even though every single Christian and atheist or otherwise poster in this forum seems to disagree with you about your stance on "blood", no one is claiming you are wrong because of the number who disagree with you; I think this is self-reinforcement from within your own leadership who are telling you not to worry if the world is against you...god's peop ...[text shortened]... ee with you because what you preach is scripturally incorrect and dangerous and morally corrupt.

Not worth answering as usual.

Originally posted by galveston75
Are you serious?

Yes. Absolutely. What is it you are claiming will happen to beauroberts? What is it you are claiming God will do? You either don't know ~ in which case why are you making the threat or what is its substance? Or you don't know, in which case why are you making the threat at all?

Originally posted by galveston75
Not worth answering as usual.

Really? You can say before Jehovah that there is nothing worth responding to in my post? I think not.

I'd like to point that this yet another example of you being dishonest Galveston75.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes. Absolutely. What is it you are claiming will happen to beauroberts? What is it you are claiming God will do? You either don't know ~ in which case why are you making the threat or what is its substance? Or you don't know, in which case why are you making the threat at all?

"Not worth responding to" and a feigned incredulous with "are you serious" are more examples of Galveston75's dishonesty in this forum.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes. Absolutely. What is it you are claiming will happen to beauroberts? What is it you are claiming God will do? You either don't know ~ in which case why are you making the threat or what is its substance? Or you don't know, in which case why are you making the threat at all?

Your starting to answer and make accusations like your buddy.

I claimed NOTHING as you are accusing. Simply stating the facts of the bible when one sins against god.

Are you that far removed from the bible to forget that what sin is and what to expect from god?

Originally posted by divegeester
[b]"Not worth responding to" and a feigned incredulous with "are you serious" are more examples of Galveston75's dishonesty in this forum.[/b]

It's called not responding to silly, spiritually void comments.

All the scriptures in the bible I've posted, too those who want to know Jehovahs laws and ways, see and understand them cleary.
Clearly you don't. I'm sorry for you and hope some day you will.

Acts 15:28, 29: “The holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, (1) to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and (2) from blood and (3) from things strangled and (2) from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

Read this carefully. By not abstaining from blood, it is in equal danger as committing fornication.

Who here thinks fornication is not a serious sin? Jehovah says those who practice fornication will NOT be allowed to live into God's Kingdom.
So if one can think on this with a clear mind and see that the use of blood, any use, will be viewed by God as an equally serious sin as fornication.

Originally posted by galveston75
It's called not responding to silly, spiritually void comments.

Here is the nub of what I posted:

People disagree with you for other reasons; these being;

- Your interpretation of the few scriptures you use about blood is wrong. You have had a detailed explanation of why.

- denying medical treatment to people who need it is morally reprehensible

- bullying people for disobeying the about morally reprehensible

In summary then, people disagree with you because what you preach is scripturally incorrect and dangerous and morally corrupt.

Of course being in cult means that people who disagree with you are: "silly and spiritually void..."

"Proper Use of Blood."

"There was only one use of blood that God ever approved, namely, for sacrifice. He directed that those under the Mosaic Law offer animal sacrifices to make atonement for sin. (Le 17:10, 11) It was also in harmony with His will that His Son, Jesus Christ, offered up his perfect human life as a sacrifice for sins.—Heb 10:5, 10."


Does a very important point here catch anyones attention?

Originally posted by divegeester
Here is the nub of what I posted:

[b]People disagree with you for other reasons; these being;

- Your interpretation of the few scriptures you use about blood is wrong. You have had a detailed explanation of why.

- denying medical treatment to people who need it is morally reprehensible

- bullying people for disobeying the about morally repre ...[text shortened]... eing in cult means that people who disagree with you are: "silly and spiritually void..."

Not at all. Just you are......