Originally posted by FMFThat is between Jehovah and this young man. He has broken one of his laws and has been removed from the congregation. But Jehovah does forgive in time if the right steps are taken.
What is it you are claiming will happen to beauroberts? What is it you are claiming God will do?
But one would be foolish to take Jehovahs forgiveness for granted....
Originally posted by CalJustWe know most do not see it as we do. Nothing new there and it will always be there.
This is the essence of our discussion here, and the fundamental crux of our disagreement - and why I (and so many others) say you are wrong.
Of course, your logic is completely sound when you say that [b]when we have a clear word from God then all true Christians will try to obey it.
Here we, again, have no such thing. It is purely a matter of y ...[text shortened]... again, and it has discredited the many other valid and valuable doctrines of your organisation.
Until Jehovah says differently, as he is not blind at all to our standing, we will stand firm in ABSTAINING from blood. Simple as that.
There have been many things that God's people have believed in doing or not doing all thru history and most of the world did not agree. So nothing new here either.
If blood were just another part of the human body as a heart, or lungs or feet, etc were, then you might have an arguement with us that some might listen too as this young man seems to not agree with. His decision to not accept or view as we do with the bible was his to make.
But the point is that he and most miss, is that blood is not the same as any other part of the human body in GOD'S eyes. It is different and until most ever see that, this discussion will continue for a long time.
Yes God wants us all to live, no arguement there at all. But God has never given man the permission to use blood as we see fit even if it saves anothers life. Again until one ever sees that blood is sacred to God and if it comes out of our bodies, it is to go only to the ground. No where else ever!
Also if one does not believe in God and his promise to resurrect us later on, yes this is hard for one to understand.
You either believe in Gods words completely or you are waisting your time as he will reject you according to his words in the Bible. You cannot pick and choose the laws that you like to obey and ignor others.
Originally posted by galveston75So you are brandishing some sort of vicarious threat in your God figure's name and you can't even say what the substance of the threat is or what the supposed consequence is?
That is between Jehovah and this young man. He has broken one of his laws and has been removed from the congregation. But Jehovah does forgive in time if the right steps are taken.
But one would be foolish to take Jehovahs forgiveness for granted....
Originally posted by galveston75Yes. Absolutely. What is it you are claiming will happen to beauroberts? What is it you are claiming God will do? You either don't know ~ in which case why are you making the threat or what is its substance? Or you don't know, in which case why are you making the threat at all?
Are you serious?
Originally posted by FMFYour starting to answer and make accusations like your buddy.
Yes. Absolutely. What is it you are claiming will happen to beauroberts? What is it you are claiming God will do? You either don't know ~ in which case why are you making the threat or what is its substance? Or you don't know, in which case why are you making the threat at all?
I claimed NOTHING as you are accusing. Simply stating the facts of the bible when one sins against god.
Are you that far removed from the bible to forget that what sin is and what to expect from god?
Acts 15:28, 29: “The holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, (1) to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and (2) from blood and (3) from things strangled and (2) from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
Read this carefully. By not abstaining from blood, it is in equal danger as committing fornication.
Who here thinks fornication is not a serious sin? Jehovah says those who practice fornication will NOT be allowed to live into God's Kingdom.
So if one can think on this with a clear mind and see that the use of blood, any use, will be viewed by God as an equally serious sin as fornication.
"Proper Use of Blood."
"There was only one use of blood that God ever approved, namely, for sacrifice. He directed that those under the Mosaic Law offer animal sacrifices to make atonement for sin. (Le 17:10, 11) It was also in harmony with His will that His Son, Jesus Christ, offered up his perfect human life as a sacrifice for sins.—Heb 10:5, 10."
Does a very important point here catch anyones attention?