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    Does God create people just to go to hell?

    Think about it. Does the teachings of your religion say, you must conform to our teachings, or be damned for eternity?

    What does this say about your God?

    In your faith: you must: believe, have faith, conform, be baptized. Is this all there is? And if so, what of all the others?

    Did He create everyone?

    There is a girl, say 2 or 3 years old. Sold into slavery. This is all she knows. By the time she is 23, she is killed. Most slaves don't make it to 23 yrs old.
    Was she created, just for damnation?
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    29 Jul '16 06:23
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    Does God create people just to go to hell?

    Think about it. Does the teachings of your religion say, you must conform to our teachings, or be damned for eternity?

    What does this say about your God?

    In your faith: you must: believe, have faith, conform, be baptized. Is this all there is? And if so, what of all the others?

    Did He create everyone? ...[text shortened]... , she is killed. Most slaves don't make it to 23 yrs old.
    Was she created, just for damnation?
    What religion are you, still Christian?
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    29 Jul '16 06:43
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    Does God create people just to go to hell?

    Think about it. Does the teachings of your religion say, you must conform to our teachings, or be damned for eternity?

    What does this say about your God?

    In your faith: you must: believe, have faith, conform, be baptized. Is this all there is? And if so, what of all the others?

    Did He create everyone? ...[text shortened]... , she is killed. Most slaves don't make it to 23 yrs old.
    Was she created, just for damnation?
    What it says is that those that live a life of sin will be judged for the deeds they have done,
    the words they have said, and so on. Those that seek salvation that was offered to them
    by One who did no sin, but instead became sin so we could be forgiven, will find it in Jesus.

    Those that reject salvation will remain as they are and will get exactly what their lives
    deserve. If you think you are righteous, it will be revealed if you were or not. If you were
    than you've nothing to worry about, if not...well.
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    29 Jul '16 10:101 edit
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    There is a girl, say 2 or 3 years old. Sold into slavery. This is all she knows. By the time she is 23, she is killed. Most slaves don't make it to 23 yrs old.
    Was she created, just for damnation?


    Are you concerned that maybe God is not too smart ?

    Are you concerned that there will be so many cases which are so difficult that He will be unjust and needing assistance from His creatures to be righteous and just ?
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    29 Jul '16 10:17
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    What it says is that those that live a life of sin will be judged for the deeds they have done,
    the words they have said, and so on. Those that seek salvation that was offered to them
    by One who did no sin, but instead became sin so we could be forgiven, will find it in Jesus.

    Those that reject salvation will remain as they are and will get exactly wha ...[text shortened]... be revealed if you were or not. If you were
    than you've nothing to worry about, if not...well.
    What happens to those that live a righteous life but don't believe in God?
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    29 Jul '16 11:151 edit
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    What happens to those that live a righteous life but don't believe in God?
    Those who live a righteous life [by the definition of Jesus], are of God, regardless of what they believe.
    Those who live a sinful life, are of the Devil, regardless of what they believe.
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    29 Jul '16 11:41
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    What happens to those that live a righteous life but don't believe in God?
    All of us have sinned and fallen away from God there isn't a single one of us that are
    good enough, or righteous enough.
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    29 Jul '16 12:241 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    All of us have sinned and fallen away from God there isn't a single one of us that are
    good enough, or righteous enough.
    Is there any way for someone to avoid going to hell if they do not believe in God but otherwise live a righteous life?
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    29 Jul '16 12:261 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Those who live a righteous life [by the definition of Jesus], are of God, regardless of what they believe.
    Those who live a sinful life, are of the Devil, regardless of what they believe.
    So, to be clear, you believe someone can go to heaven even if they do not believe in God?
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    29 Jul '16 12:28
    Originally posted by sonship
    There is a girl, say 2 or 3 years old. Sold into slavery. This is all she knows. By the time she is 23, she is killed. Most slaves don't make it to 23 yrs old.
    Was she created, just for damnation?


    Are you concerned that maybe God is not too smart ?

    Are you concerned that there will be so many cases which are so difficult that He will be unjust and needing assistance from His creatures to be righteous and just ?
    What happens to those that live a righteous life but don't believe in God?

    Heaven or hell?
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    29 Jul '16 13:133 edits
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    So, to be clear, you believe someone can go to heaven even if they do not believe in God?
    First .. . if you were confronted with two equally nice [physically] prospective partners. The first talks about love and how much he/she feels for you and having a great relationship, but does nothing to demonstrate that love. The second says nothing but shows love through action - helping, supporting, being there for you etc. Which of these would you choose. A wise person would choose the one that acts, rather than only talk. You would be a fool to fall for the first one.

    God is no different and this fact is clearly stated in the Bible. God wants doers who are rewarded with eternal life. God hates talkers and these would not get into his Kingdom. Christianity has evolved to the point now where some Christians just show mouth worship to God and they are told by pastors and preachers that this is sufficient for eternal life.

    What a person truly believes is demonstrated by his actions. The man who lives righteously believes that living this way is the right thing to do and this man has God in him already. This man has Gods Spirit in him, regardless of what he believes. The man who claims to believe and continues in sin, and does not live righteously is not of God but is of the devil.

    Read 1John, chapters 1 to 5, for further clarification.
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    29 Jul '16 13:22
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    What happens to those that live a righteous life but don't believe in God?

    Heaven or hell?
    No one is righteous not even people that believe in God.
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    29 Jul '16 13:381 edit
    Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
    No one is righteous not even people that believe in God.
    So according to you, this passage by Jesus:

    Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    is the same as:

    Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but NOBODY into life eternal.

    If according to you, nobody gets eternal life, then there is something sadly wrong with your doctrine.
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    29 Jul '16 13:52
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    So according to you, this passage by Jesus:

    Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    is the same as:

    Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but NOBODY into life eternal.

    If according to you, nobody gets eternal life, then there is something sadly wrong with your doctrine.
    Romans 3:10 There is none righteous no not one.

    All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
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    29 Jul '16 13:592 edits
    Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
    Romans 3:10 There is none righteous no not one.

    All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
    So Jesus was mistaken then?

    You are pulling out passages without understanding. Paul in addressing the JEWS, who wanted to exclude the Gentiles from eternal life, believing themselves alone to be righteous, made that statement to the JEWS. All have sinned and all have fallen short, and in that sense nobody is righteous enough for eternal life. But God is now calling ALL people who will live righteously into His Kingdom.

    Hence the statement by Christ that he will welcome the righteous into the Kingdom of God.

    By the way your self-portrait is nice 🙂
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