04 Jul 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesHe hasn't converted as far as I know.
Is Jesus still Jewish, or do you suppose he has converted to something else after all these years?
I haven't read anything in the newspapers about it anyway.
He is still jew. But dead since 2000 years.
04 Jul 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasjew as in religion or jew as in ethnicity? coz from the religious point of view it would be very bad PR if he wasn't christian. if the son of god doesn't believe he is the son of god then christianity is kind of pointless
He hasn't converted as far as I know.
I haven't read anything in the newspapers about it anyway.
He is still jew. But dead since 2000 years.
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04 Jul 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziHe's not Christian, he's a Jewish rabbi. From a Christological point of view it takes his death and resurrection for Jesus of Nazareth to become the Christ. It's not like "Christ" is his last name. Whether he refers to himself as the Son of Man has nothing to do with his self-identity as a Jew.
jew as in religion or jew as in ethnicity? coz from the religious point of view it would be very bad PR if he wasn't christian. if the son of god doesn't believe he is the son of god then christianity is kind of pointless
04 Jul 08
Originally posted by Conrau KNow you are getting into the whole issue of Jesus being both man and god. So before one asks whether Jesus was/is a Jew one must specify which aspect of Jesus in particular they are talking about.
Was Jesus ever a Jew? The writer of the gospel of John seems to have thought that Jesus existed before the creation and the establishment of Judaism.
I suppose that if Jesus was truly born via a virgin birth then Jesus the man was only half Jew by race.
04 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Conrau Kto my understanding yes he was before adam, and in heaven there will be no religon as we will have god as our father
Was Jesus ever a Jew? The writer of the gospel of John seems to have thought that Jesus existed before the creation and the establishment of Judaism.
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Originally posted by Badwaterhow can you fundamentally change a religion and not be of the new religion. fine, the term christian was implemented after his death. and if you consider that christianity was constantly altered after that you cannot consider him a christian. but he certainly wasn't a jew. the nut joseph smith called himself a mormon. luther was a protestant. you cannot call luther a catholic.
He's not Christian, he's a Jewish rabbi. From a Christological point of view it takes his death and resurrection for Jesus of Nazareth to become the Christ. It's not like "Christ" is his last name. Whether he refers to himself as the Son of Man has nothing to do with his self-identity as a Jew.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziWasn't Luther a catholic during his life? Did he ever call himself a lutheran?
luther was a protestant. you cannot call luther a catholic.
Did Muhammed call himself a muhamedan? Even a muslim?
Did Buddha call himself a buddhist?
I've never called myself a Fabianist...
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04 Jul 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasSo the man who said "I am the way, the truth and the light" was a Jew?
Wasn't Luther a catholic during his life? Did he ever call himself a lutheran?
Did Muhammed call himself a muhamedan? Even a muslim?
Did Buddha call himself a buddhist?
I've never called myself a Fabianist...
04 Jul 08
Originally posted by FabianFnassure he luther was born a catholic. but if you change properties on catholicism and add or remove some, what remains is something different.
Wasn't Luther a catholic during his life? Did he ever call himself a lutheran?
Did Muhammed call himself a muhamedan? Even a muslim?
Did Buddha call himself a buddhist?
I've never called myself a Fabianist...
the dog was a wolf. some characteristics have been altered, so we call the dog a dog and the wolf a wolf.
i think mohammed called himself a muslim. i am not sure but isn't the word muslim equivalent to "submits to god?". so didn't mohammed submitted to god? so he is a muslim. anyway it is absurd to think that mohammed, the founder of islam is not a muslim but a "whatever religion he was in at his birth"
04 Jul 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe first dog in history was still a wolf. Its pups perhaps could be called dogs.
sure he luther was born a catholic. but if you change properties on catholicism and add or remove some, what remains is something different.
the dog was a wolf. some characteristics have been altered, so we call the dog a dog and the wolf a wolf.
i think mohammed called himself a muslim. i am not sure but isn't the word muslim equivalent to "submit ...[text shortened]... med, the founder of islam is not a muslim but a "whatever religion he was in at his birth"
If Muslim means "submits to god", then Adam and Eve were muslims, right?