Spirituality
11 Jan 19
@Josephw (posting as @SecondSon) is claiming that lying to a liar is not a sin; is this substantiated?
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies” (John 8:44).
Thoughts...
11 Jan 19
@divegeester saidI don't believe there is any such thing as "sin"; I am an agnostic atheist.
@Josephw (posting as @SecondSon) is claiming that lying to a liar is not a sin; is this substantiated?
I'd contend that it would be morally justifiable to use deceit to protect myself or my family or people I am responsible for who seek to cause damage through morally unsound acts.
11 Jan 19
@fmf saidI have no issue with this from a moral standpoint, or even a Christian one.
I'd contend that it would be morally justifiable to use deceit to protect myself or my family or people I am responsible for who seek to cause damage through morally unsound acts.
However within the Christian mindset if someone is a habitual liar, or deceiver and you as the christian lie to them for any other reason than self or family defense, then would that be a would that be a sin - hypothetically speaking?
In other words is the Christian auto-absolved from lying because of the condition of the person they are lying to?
I say no, absolutely not.
11 Jan 19
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@divegeester saidAs a Christian, would it have been morally justifiable to hide Jews in Nazi Germany and then lie about having them?
I have no issue with this from a moral standpoint, or even a Christian one.
However within the Christian mindset if someone is a habitual liar, or deceiver and you as the christian lie to them for any other reason than self or family defense, then would that be a would that be a sin - hypothetically speaking?
In other words is the Christian auto-absolved from lying because of the condition of the person they are lying to?
I say no, absolutely not.
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@secondson saidApologies if you have done so already, but could you just affirm that you are not linked to the previous Joseph account.
Looks like you sent divegeester's brain into overload.
At least you got him to shut his yammering yap for a couple of hours. Good job whodey.
I personally stopped communicating with Joseph when he asserted atheists were either ignorant or irrational. (Being neither of these things, I'm sure you can appreciate how vexatious I found his remarks).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidjosephw from time to time also asserted that atheism was akin to mental illness.
I personally stopped communicating with Joseph when he asserted atheists were either ignorant or irrational.
11 Jan 19
@ghost-of-a-duke said@Josephw was/is a right wing American blowhard Christian currently posting as the “spiritual muscle” poster @SecondSon.
Apologies if you have done so already, but could you just affirm that you are not linked to the previous Joseph account.
I personally stopped communicating with Joseph when he asserted atheists were either ignorant or irrational. (Being neither of these things, I'm sure you can appreciate how vexatious I found his remarks).
@SecondSon is a pompous Christian who thinks it is ok to one day tell me he loves me in Jesus and that he’s praying for me and the next day to call me a “pinhead” a “moron” and an “ashole”.
He doesn’t understand the use of metaphors in the bible, thinks lying to liars is acceptable and has no idea what he actually believes about eternal suffering.
As @Josephw he once (famously at the time) called me an enemy of God because I found a Wolfgang59 joke about @Grampy-Bobby’s posting amusing.
12 Jan 19
@divegeester saidLet's have the man speak for himself.
@Josephw was/is a right wing American blowhard Christian currently posting as the “spiritual muscle” poster @SecondSon.
@SecondSon is a pompous Christian who thinks it is ok to one day tell me he loves me in Jesus and that he’s praying for me and the next day to call me a “pinhead” a “moron” and an “ashole”.
He doesn’t understand the use of metaphors in the bibl ...[text shortened]... ) called me an enemy of God because I found a Wolfgang59 joke about @Grampy-Bobby’s posting amusing.
We know he's "on your list" of people you don't like and so you think that gives you license to "destroy" their forum reputation. We get that. Not all here agree, however.
12 Jan 19
@whodey saidI believe it was the Bishop and a Priest of Thessaloniki that, when the Nazis came, they were asked for a list of names of all of the Jews...
As a Christian, would it have been morally justifiable to hide Jews in Nazi Germany and then lie about having them?
The Bishop and Priest wrote down that they were the only Jews in all of Thessaloniki, and that there were no other Jews. Meanwhile, in preparation, many Jews were already being hidden and others sent out of the city at the Bishop's commands...
The Bishop and Priest were the only "Jews" to die from that city.
I still remember the story fondly.