@kellyjay saidThanks. I take that as a compliment.
You don’t know how to describe the Trinity.
When it comes to the doctrines preached by Christ you are a lost soul but you are very proficient at describing false Satanic doctrines. My apologies if Satan's failure to influence my beliefs bothers you.
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Wow, that “plus” has really pushed me more towards your version of the loving Jesus.
Plus, more than, a lake of eternal burning fire and brimstone. Even worse than that. My gosh, Jesus must be amazing. Praise sonship’s loving Jesus.
This bit of sarcasm is all you have to propose a sane solution to the problem ?
In the executing of God's wrath in the seven vials it is said -
" ... Great and wonderful are Your works, Lord God the Almighty; righteous and true are Your ways, O King of the nations.
Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name ? For You alone are holy; for all the nations will come and worship before You,
for Your righteous acts have been made manifest." (Rev. 15:3b-4)
Do you argue that there in that chapter God's ways are NOT "righteous and true" ?
Or do you argue that there God's "righteous acts" in fact have NOT been made manifest?
Think about it before answering suddenly. The context is God pouring out on His enemies the final seven last plagues. Get the context from verse 1 -
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and wonderful, seven angels having seven plagues, which are the last, for in them the fury of God is finished. (15:1)
Would you argue with John - "No John! This is NOT great and wonderful . I deny that my God would do this. And you are sick to say God's final inflicting of such punishments on His enemies is great and wonderful. YOU, Apostle John are SADISTIC and against God to say this scene you saw was great and wonderful. And you didn't hear ANY SUCH THING as it being said - Great and wonderful are Your works, Lord God the Almighty. They would have to have been SICK and SADISTIC to call these manifestations of God's judgment great and wonderful !! "
If you could, is that how you might argue with John for writing down what he says he saw and heard ?
Would you debate John ... "NO JOHN! Those acts of God pouring out His wrath on Antichrist and his kingdom were not God's righteous acts being made manifest. "
Man made...
What is man-made is opposition and argument against the Bible's revelation of God being the Father - the Son - the Holy Spirit.
Opposing that God is disclosed that way in the Bible is what is "man-made".
Now, I am not interested is the scoring of debate points as much as sober reflection on what we are told in the Revelation.
His acts of judgment (among other things) are said to be true and righteous and the manifestation of His righteous acts.
You disagree? You say they are the manifestations of a sick sadistic God ? And I am sick because I believe what John saw and wrote there ?
Tell us how these judgments are not great and wonderful. God should just let His toleration endure forever concerning His enemies ?
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Your “sober reflection on what we are told (sic) in Revelation” has led you to believe that the Jesus who’s “mercy endures forever” (not dispensational) will be personally overseeing the eternal deliberate torture of billions and billions of resurrected souls for the one purpose of satisfying his personal holiness and need for judgments.
Sorry readers. But we have been through all this before.
The phrase His mercy endures forever is biblical, from Psalm 136. And it is repeated TWENTY SIX TIMES!
How much the writer wants to drive home about God's eternal mercy and lovingkindness.
However, Dive doesn't like to realize that that Psalm ALSO shows that part of His mercy on His saints is to JUDGE His and their enemies.
Observe -
To Him who struck Egypt in their firstborn;
For His lovingkindness [mercy] endures forever. (v.10)
Part of His mercy on Israel was to strike with judgment the firstborn in Egypt in judgment.
He brought forth Israel from their midst,
For His lovingkindness [mercy] endures forever. (v.11)
With a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.
For His lovingkindness endures forever." (v.12)
A "mighty hand and an outstretched arm" refers to God's JUDGMENTS on the Egyptian army. They pursued the Israelites to the death, relentlessless. God had MERCY on the pursued Israelites by coming to their aid.
The Red Sea closed over the pursuing army. They drowned in God's judgment.
To Him who divided the Red Sea apart.
For His lovingkindness [mercy] endures forever. (v.13)
And brought Israel over through the midst of it,
For His lovingkindness [mercy] endures forever. (v.14)
And shook off Pharoah and his forces into the Red Sea,
For His lovingkindness [mercy] endures forever. (v.15)
Divegeester seems to want to eliminate these passages from the Psalm on God's everlasting mercy. Is this reliable ?
Now God's mercy on His saints calls for His judgment upon His and their enemies again in coming into the good land.
To Him who marched His people through the wilderness,
For His lovingkindness [mercy] endures forever; (v.16)
To Him who struck great kings,
For His lovingkindness [mercy] endures forever; (v.17)
Great kings aligned themselves AGAINST God and therefore OPPOSED His redeemed nation. Part of God's enduring mercy was to eliminate these kings. They had been warned.
So you see Divegeester is selective and misrepresents God's mercy to mean He will not execute JUSTICE upon His enemies.
And enemies of God are enemies of mankind, necessarily.
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While this planetary scale flesh-melting holocaust is occurring “Christians” will be simultaneously in heaven with this same Jesus playing with the lions and lambs and worshiping this monstrous version of our saviour.
Dive is eloquent. However his mockery is against God as revealed in the Bible. God's enduring mercy calls conversely for the permanent incapacitating His UNREDEEMABLE enemies.
Regardless of Divegeester's eloquent attempt to guilt trip Christians who want to believe without partiality all the Bible reveals, those who REFUSE His enduring mercy seen in redemption, will lose and lose forever.
To have everlasting mercy on those who RECEIVE Him He must also vanquish those who perpetually REJECT Him.
So Divegeester, you have eloquently shown your contempt for your favorite Psalm 136 declaring God's everlasting mercy.
Interestingly, the portion of Revelation 15 I referred to mirrors the children of Israel on the other side of the Red Sea, realizing that they have come THROUGH judgment while their enemies have been totally consumed.
And I saw as it were a glassy sea mingled with fire and those who come away victorious from the beast and from his image and from the number of his name standing on the glassy sea, having harps of God.
And they sing the song of Moses, the slave of God, and the song of the Lamb ..."
The parallel is striking. Israelites standing on the safe side of the judging Red Sea. And the Lord's saints standing safely on the other side of the lake of fire (sea of glass mingled with fire).
They sing the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb.
His enduring mercy on His people calls for His total vanquishing of His and their enemies.
" ... and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and worderful are Your works, Lord God the Almighty! Righteous and true are Your ways, O King of nations ...
You righteous judgments have been manifested." (See Rev. 15:2-4)
Dive says what has been manifested there is that God is a monster.
