Is the Trinity Biblical?

Originally posted by Rajk999
What else could he be? Is that your reasoning? An angel of God can do all that you describe if GOD gave them the power to do it.

Christ came as the Messiah, the Son of God. He died for our sins and was subquently given power over the destiny of Man. But yet he does not know the day or the hour of his return. Only God his Father knows that.

There a ...[text shortened]... bjects Christ his son included to do certain things on his authority. That cannot make them God.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The angels are a different KIND of SPIRIT than the SPIRIT of GOD.
Christ was the only begotten Son of God the Father, so the Son was
of the same SUBSTANCE or SPIRIT as God the Father. The Holy
Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son and is therefore also of
the same SUBSTANCE or SPIRIT as God and not like the angels.

For to which of the angels di ...[text shortened]... WORSHIP HIM.”

Hebrews 1:5
(See also Psalms 2:7; Hebrews 5:5)

P.S. See also Luke 2:10-14

Originally posted by Rajk999
It is confusing but if I were to state simply what the Bible says clearly ..- Christ and God are one in purpose.

The word 'substance' is not in the Bible referring to God and Christ.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Which of those statements quoted means that Christ is God?

To me it all sounds like passages I would quote to prove that Christ is the Son of God and God is His Father. Two separate and distince entities but one in purpose.

Again you are using a word 'substance' not found in the Bible to refer to God and Christ. One in purpose is correct.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I understand your concern that the words "Trinity" and "substance" are not in
the Bible referring to God and Christ. Like I said, for lack of better words,
these words are used to try to explain, as best as we can, the complex nature
of God and Christ as presented in the Holy Bible when considering all scripture
instead of just a few scriptures in isolation, like the JWs do.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am not saying they do not have the same purpose, for Christ said He came
to do His Father's will. But here He is indicating more than being one in
purpose, for He also said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father".
Of course not meaning He was the Father, but just like the Father.

The book of Hebrews explains that Christ, before His incarnat he image of angels.

P.S. Check this link: http://www.craom.net/deityofchrist.htm

Originally posted by Rajk999
'Lack of better words' to explain a doctrtine which the Bible does not teach clearly?
That means if you use the words of the Bible then your doctrine cannot be explained. I would rather focus on the doctrines which are taught clearly and use the same exact words used in the Bible.

Substance is not inthe Bible referring to Christ and God.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Again nothing clear about those statements. Muddled statements does not translate into clear doctrines. But I agree that Christ was like the father and all your statements mean that they were separate and distinct.

So we have the following facts:

1. Christ was great power by his Father.

2. Christ was with the Father from the beginning of mans rec ...[text shortened]... ist certainly has divine qualities.

4. Christ and God are two separate and distinct entities.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Christ taugh it parables so as not to be clear to everyone. Why would He
make an exception for something like the Trinity Doctrine?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Your error is in number 4.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Please explain how and why. Thanks.
I keep hearing people say that without proof.

No long-winded explanation but a couple simple verses will do.

It would seem that the trinity teaches that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind.
Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself.
Then God impregnated a woman with himself.
God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.
God strengthened himself and talked to himself.
Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself.
While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt above himself.
Then he sat at his own right hand and waited till he placed his own enemies as a footstool.
Finally with satans forces defeated God would turn his kingdom over to himself,
that all things would become everything to himself.
It would seem

Originally posted by bot 6
It would seem that the trinity teaches that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind.
Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself.
Then God impregnated a woman with himself.
God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.
God strengthened himself and talked to himself.
Finally God forsook himself and sa ...[text shortened]... his kingdom over to himself,
that all things would become everything to himself.
It would seem

Originally posted by RJHinds
4. Christ and God are two separate and distinct entities.

I would say Christ and God are two distinct "persons" in the Godhead.
Christ is both son of man and Son of God so there is no separation as
I see it. For an explanation of The Doctrine of the Trinty see the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

Paul says, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
(Colossians 2:9 NASB)

Originally posted by Rajk999
Are you suggesting that I must get my doctrines from Wiki? Isnt that kinda like the JWs getting their doctrines from the WT org? And you laugh at those guys when you are guilty of doing the same thing?

Clear statements from Christ or Paul or Forget it.