1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    The Jehovah's Witnesses and some other religious groups claim the
    "Christian Trinity is from Pagan roots. Is this true? I say NO!

    The following website attempts to determine the origin of the "Trinity" :

    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/conter

    It mentions the Roman, Sumerian, Assyrian, and Babylonian triads as a
    possible influence on the Christian Trinity. But then states the following:

    "The historian, H. W. F. Saggs, explains that the Babylonian triad consisted of ‘three gods of roughly equal rank... whose inter-relationship is of the essence of their natures'.
    Is this positive proof that the Christian Trinity descended from the ancient Sumerian, Assyrian, and Babylonian triads? No."

    So the answer is that there is no proof of a Pagan origin to the Christian
    trinity.

    Some people refer to these triads of gods as a trinity, but there is a big
    difference. As the name implies, a triad of gods is three gods added
    together. Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary defines Trinity as the
    "unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead
    according to Christian dogma.

    The Pagans believed in many gods and when three of these gods were of
    roughly equal rank, they were referred to as a "Triad" not a "Trinity".
    A "Trinity" or "Tri-unity" does not add gods together in a group of three
    gods. The God of the Holy Bible is different from all other gods that man
    has made up. For the Triune God is a unity of three person into ONE God.
    There is no other god devised by the human mind was like this. Although
    hinted at in the Old Testament, the complete idea was not revealed to man
    until Jesus revealed it and put it all together when He told His disciples
    that He had been given all authority on heaven and earth, therefore go
    baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    The word "Trinity", as well as the distinction between "one God" and
    "three persons," was first formulated by Tertullian. He wrote explicitly of
    "a trinity of one divinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian

    So my conclusion is that there were no Trinity in pagan religions, only Triads.
    So the Doctrine of the Trinity could not of had Pagan roots. What say you?
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    27 Jun '11 13:20
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The Jehovah's Witnesses and some other religious groups claim the
    "Christian Trinity is from Pagan roots. Is this true? I say NO!

    The following website attempts to determine the origin of the "Trinity" :

    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/conter

    It mentions the Roman, Sumerian, Assyrian, and Babylonian triads as a
    possible influence on the Christian T ...[text shortened]... he Doctrine of the Trinity could not of had Pagan roots. What say you?
    Still playing with the words and meanings as all trinitians are so good at. A blind person can see they are the same.
    What you don't see is the evolutionist do the same in their world with their word play.
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    27 Jun '11 14:05
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Still playing with the words and meanings as all trinitians are so good at. A blind person can see they are the same.
    What you don't see is the evolutionist do the same in their world with their word play.
    What exactly is 'evolutionary word play'?
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    27 Jun '11 14:08
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Still playing with the words and meanings as all trinitians are so good at. A blind person can see they are the same.
    What you don't see is the evolutionist do the same in their world with their word play.
    It's not wordplay. The Trinity is clearly quite notionally different from pagan triads. These have no similarity to the trinity.
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    27 Jun '11 15:57
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    It's not wordplay. The Trinity is clearly quite notionally different from pagan triads. These have no similarity to the trinity.
    Right!!!!!!
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    27 Jun '11 19:41
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Right!!!!!!
    Is that all you have to say? Do you now agree that the "Trinity" does
    not come from paganism, but is unique to the One true God of the
    Holy Bible?
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    27 Jun '11 20:17
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Is that all you have to say? Do you now agree that the "Trinity" does
    not come from paganism, but is unique to the One true God of the
    Holy Bible?
    Uhhhh, nope. Not ever! The Bible does not teach it so I'm not falling for satan's trickery.
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    27 Jun '11 20:35
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Uhhhh, nope. Not ever! The Bible does not teach it so I'm not falling for satan's trickery.
    The ideas of the "Trinity" as Tertullian expressed in detail are in the Holy
    Bible. The term "Trinity" to express these ideas was not in the Holy Bible,
    but the word "Godhead" was there. And it means the same thing, but
    just wasn't explained until Tertullian came along. For the fullness of the
    Godhead is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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    27 Jun '11 20:52
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The ideas of the "Trinity" as Tertullian expressed in detail are in the Holy
    Bible. The term "Trinity" to express these ideas was not in the Holy Bible,
    but the word "Godhead" was there. And it means the same thing, but
    just wasn't explained until Tertullian came along. For the fullness of the
    Godhead is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
    You know bottom line my friend, it doesn't matter where it came from, what paganistic nations formulated it, who's opinion you come up with that says it's this or that or how trinitarians twist up the truth. The bottom line is IT"S NOT IN THE BIBLE AT ALL, thus it's not true!
    And the term Godhead is not the correct term used to describe God at all.
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    27 Jun '11 21:19
    Explain in the NAME of as opposed to in the NAMES of?

    Jesus could easily have said baptize in the NAMES of the father the son and the spirit
    But he did not why?




    Manny
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    27 Jun '11 21:33
    Originally posted by menace71
    Explain in the NAME of as opposed to in the NAMES of?

    Jesus could easily have said baptize in the NAMES of the father the son and the spirit
    But he did not why?




    Manny
    I have already explained it to them, maybe a month ago, but there
    heads are up there ass. So the don't know. It is almost like talking
    to a wall. They just act like idiots and stick to what they have been
    indoctrinated to believe and still think they are the only ones following
    the teachings of Jesus and God the Father.
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    27 Jun '11 21:53
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I have already explained it to them, maybe a month ago, but there
    heads are up there ass. So the don't know. It is almost like talking
    to a wall. They just act like idiots and stick to what they have been
    indoctrinated to believe and still think they are the only ones following
    the teachings of Jesus and God the Father.
    I just want them to see there is a whole word outside of the JW cult and they can still love God and people and still go door to door and not all of Christendom is some lie of Satan as G-75 likes to say. They seem to be ignorant of history even of their own organization. History does not happen in a vacuum. Where they quote history it's usually faulty. Example is how early the Church fathers discussed the ideas and concept of the trinity.



    Manny
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    27 Jun '11 21:58
    Originally posted by menace71
    I just want them to see there is a whole word outside of the JW cult and they can still love God and people and still go door to door and not all of Christendom is some lie of Satan as G-75 likes to say. They seem to be ignorant of history even of their own organization. History does not happen in a vacuum. Where they quote history it's usually faulty. Exam ...[text shortened]... e is how early the Church fathers discussed the ideas and concept of the trinity.



    Manny
    The take there history from what they are taught from high ones in
    the Watchtower Society. They do no research on their own. I know
    this because I studied with them in my younger days.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The take there history from what they are taught from high ones in
    the Watchtower Society. They do no research on their own. I know
    this because I studied with them in my younger days.
    Where you one of them? Interesting take if so


    Manny
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    27 Jun '11 22:10
    BTW I studied there history from the founder up to present day they get very offended when you show them with their own history the faultiness of the sect no doubt. I believe you can even show them were they once allowed for blood transfusions and they once believe it was ok to worship Jesus. They announced the second coming of Christ then when it did not come to pass they explained it away so to speak. You know this though 🙂 I get angry but I need to remember God loves them as much as any group. I believe people join the JW's for love of God and all but get dupped is all. It's frustration when you ask them a question and they never answer it but go around and around and around the question. They never give an answer of their own but it's usually cut n paste (We all do it at times) but never a straight answer.


    Manny
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