@fmf saidI assume this is a rhetorical question. 🙂
I don't really see what expertise that theologians can realistically claim to have regarding epidemiology. If they weighed in, for example, on the issue of whether to inject disinfectant to treat viruses, would it be legitimate for theologians to bring their supposed expertise to bear upon it?
@dj2becker saidMy point is that it has all been ordained, we know where this is headed. Because of this, God is letting it play out. He's done warning us. This is why it looks like 'God has left the building': because He has... for now. The age of prophets is over, because none can stop what is to come. This will be a s---storm of our own making; free will determines just how bad it gets before the end. But the Bible speaks many times of "those who will overcome". It IS up to us as far as our personal story. Either we stay thirsty and will be refreshed, or we die eternally in our sins. Either we choose wisely, or we choose poorly.
I agree. Free-will is the only plausible explanation that I have seen that makes suffering compatible with a omnibenevolent God.
@dj2becker saidEven with free will, there is no reason for eternal suffering.
Why do you think it’s incorrect? Without free will there is no logical explanation that I am aware of that makes eternal suffering compatible with an omnibenevolent God.
Snuff them out in the Lake of Fire in the blink of an eye, and it's done.
There's no reason to go all barbeque style on them for eternity. It serves no one.
@suzianne saidThis verse comes to mind though:
My point is that it has all been ordained, we know where this is headed. Because of this, God is letting it play out. He's done warning us. This is why it looks like 'God has left the building': because He has... for now. The age of prophets is over, because none can stop what is to come. This will be a s---storm of our own making; free will determines just how bad it g ...[text shortened]... d will be refreshed, or we die eternally in our sins. Either we choose wisely, or we choose poorly.
“Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you or forsake you” (Deuteronomy 31:6).
Even in the ****storm God is there all we need to do is call out to Him.
Psalm 50:15
“Call on me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you will honor me."
@suzianne saidTrue. But if eternal sufferig were to be a thing, free will would be the only explanation that I could think of to justify it. The other option would be predestination which is a hard one to swallow for me.
Even with free will, there is no reason for eternal suffering.
Snuff them out in the Lake of Fire in the blink of an eye, and it's done.
There's no reason to go all barbeque style on them for eternity. It serves no one.
@bigdoggproblem saidTheologians can take a crack at it if they so choose.
I assume this is a rhetorical question. 🙂
@suzianne saidBut you said: "Viruses had a purpose at one time, perhaps in DNA sharing among early organisms, to fuel evolution. Today, their purpose exhausted, they may usher in the last 'plagues' of mankind. "
Those two sentences you quote contain a "perhaps", a possibility, a guess. I'm not omniscient, so by definition, I do not know. However, it does follow my feeling that God does not "interfere" in our affairs anymore. Our bed is already made.
That's why I asked what makes you think (not know) viruses don't have purpose anymore. Viruses do share DNA between organisms, hence they influence the evolution of those organisms.
Considering this evolution of organisms still goes on (which is a scientific fact) do you still feel god doesn't interfere anymore?