It's so difficult to accept

@fmf said
What does "die for the sins of the world" actually mean? It's just a string of words - an obtuse doctrine that does not stand up to moral scrutiny - that a minority of people around the world just so happen to have rote-learned, internalized, and recited for centuries.

Actually explain why this assertion about the death you mentioned is not "so difficult to accept" and perhaps I can accept it.

"Die for the sins of the World" is a rather powerful piece of imagery for those of us who haven't lived perfect lives.

@deepthought said
"Die for the sins of the World" is a rather powerful piece of imagery for those of us who haven't lived perfect lives.

How so?

What "powerful" effect does the imagery have on you and your imperfectly lived life?

@fmf said
How so?

What "powerful" effect does the imagery have on you and your imperfectly lived life?

"Powerful" in that the specter of death, as a consequence of sin, is eradicated, and replaced with the certain hope of eternal life.

The "imagery" is powerful in that it has the effect of delineating between the saved and the lost, giving "imperfect" man the opportunity to choose life or death and re-establishing the union between him and his creator.

@secondson said
"Powerful" in that the specter of death, as a consequence of sin, is eradicated, and replaced with the certain hope of eternal life.

The "imagery" is powerful in that it has the effect of delineating between the saved and the lost, giving "imperfect" man the opportunity to choose life or death and re-establishing the union between him and his creator.

How is that "powerful" for the billions and billions of non-Christians around the world, including DeepThroat and me who have no superstitions about immortality?

@fmf said
How is that "powerful" for the billions and billions of non-Christians around the world, including DeepThroat and me who have no superstitions about immortality?

Are you speaking for the "billions and billions" when you say "including DeepThroat and me" as having no superstitions about immortality?

Also, the grammatical construct of your question is misconstrued.

That you should ask "how is that powerful", i.e. "die for the sins of the world", makes it obvious that you know "how", but are deliberately engaging in denial by inferring superstition when none exists.

I would guess you're projecting your own superstition.

@secondson said
Are you speaking for the "billions and billions" when you say "including DeepThroat and me" as having no superstitions about immortality?

Also, the grammatical construct of your question is misconstrued.

That you should ask "how is that powerful", i.e. "die for the sins of the world", makes it obvious that you know "how", but are deliberately engaging in denial ...[text shortened]... y inferring superstition when none exists.

I would guess you're projecting your own superstition.

Often a fiction can take over one's mind. It is a kind of psychosis to which we are susceptible.

Instead of wrangling over words and concepts, over orthodoxy and orthopraxy, wouldn't it be better to appreciate our occurrence and that of the world around us, and to be kind to one another knowing the horrors we might face directly or indirectly during our time on Earth, and knowing that we will all die sooner or later?

@secondson said
Are you speaking for the "billions and billions" when you say "including DeepThroat and me" as having no superstitions about immortality?

We are talking about the 'Christ "Died for the sins of the World" ideology, which does not strike billions and billions of people as "powerful".

@secondson said
That you should ask "how is that powerful", i.e. "die for the sins of the world", makes it obvious that you know "how", but are deliberately engaging in denial by inferring superstition when none exists.

Superstition is a belief in superntaural causality, superntaural phenomena and supernatural beings. This is what Christ "Died for the sins of the World" ideology is based on. So the superstition does exist. Undeniably so.

@secondson said
I would guess you're projecting your own superstition.

I am not superstitious. To be superstitious, I would have to believe in supernatural causality.

@fmf said
We are talking about the 'Christ "Died for the sins of the World" ideology, which does not strike billions and billions of people as "powerful".

Doesn't it?

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/pf_17-04-05_projectionsupdate_grl310px/

2.3 Billion Christians worldwide, if you believe this source.

Granted, not all of them might find their beliefs "powerful", but if we're going to speak on behalf of billions of people, some factual basis might be in order...

@bigdoggproblem said
Doesn't it?

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/pf_17-04-05_projectionsupdate_grl310px/

2.3 Billion Christians worldwide, if you believe this source.

Granted, not all of them might find their beliefs "powerful", but if we're going to speak on behalf of billions of people, some factual basis might be in order...

Gosh, I am referring to the billions and billions of people that aren't the 2.2 billion people you're referring to. I am not "speaking on behalf" of those billions of people ~ the vast majority of human beings ~ I am just sticking to a factual basis.

@caesar-salad said
Often a fiction can take over one's mind. It is a kind of psychosis to which we are susceptible.

Instead of wrangling over words and concepts, over orthodoxy and orthopraxy, wouldn't it be better to appreciate our occurrence and that of the world around us, and to be kind to one another knowing the horrors we might face directly or indirectly during our time on Earth, and knowing that we will all die sooner or later?

Certainly.

And what better way is there to appreciate "our occurrence and that of the world around us" than to acknowledge our maker and give thanks?

And what greater kindness can one give to another than to share the love of God and the inexpressible sacrifice of His Son, so that when we die physically, and in one way or another we will, we can live eternally?

It's an issue of faith, not fiction. And it's not faith based on a false assumption either. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a fact. Jesus is the hope of the world and the light of men.

How could I possibly be kinder than that? But for saying so I am ridiculed and insulted. Have a nice day.

@fmf said
We are talking about the 'Christ "Died for the sins of the World" ideology, which does not strike billions and billions of people as "powerful".

I know what we're talking about. Thanks for stating the obvious, again.

@fmf said
Superstition is a belief in superntaural causality, superntaural phenomena and supernatural beings. This is what Christ "Died for the sins of the World" ideology is based on. So the superstition does exist. Undeniably so.

Your idea of the definition and application of the concept of superstition is classical.

Belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ is not a superstition. It is the hope of every believer.

Your superstition is that it is NOT true. A superstition is a belief in something that's not true. It is NOT true that Jesus is in His grave.

Merriam-Webster
Full Definition
1 a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2 : a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary

You might want to consider how "superstition" has had its impact on you.