Jesus and Parables

Originally posted by Eladar
I provided quote. You just asked who is more authoritative Jesus or Paul.

I asked you just a couple hrs ago:

I would be very interested in seeing reference to support your view that Jesus died for sinners who believe in him and not all sinners.

Did you provide any?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I asked you just a couple hrs ago:

I would be very interested in seeing reference to support your view that Jesus died for sinners who believe in him and not all sinners.

Did you provide any?

God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that those who believe in him should have eternal life.

Romans 9:18

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Originally posted by Eladar
God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that those who believe in him should have eternal life.

Romans 9:18

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Those who believe will have eternal life.

How does that equate to your statement that Christ died for only those who believe. Bear in mind that that Bible says that Christ died FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Those who believe will have eternal life.

How does that equate to your statement that Christ died for only those who believe. Bear in mind that that Bible says that Christ died FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD.

I already gave the quote you wanted.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Those who believe will have eternal life.

How does that equate to your statement that Christ died for only those who believe. Bear in mind that that Bible says that Christ died FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD.

You have just stated that some people are doomed to hell, from birth.

Now you are saying that Christ died for the sins of the world. Are those people not part of the 'world'?

Hopefully you will also address my question on the previous page as to why God would create a human, knowing his destiny has already been pre-determined to go directly to hell for eternity.

Originally posted by chaney3
You have just stated that some people are doomed to hell, from birth.

Now you are saying that Christ died for the sins of the world. Are those people not part of the 'world'?

Hopefully you will also address my question on the previous page as to why God would create a human, knowing his destiny has already been pre-determined to go directly to hell for eternity.

Christ died for the sins of the world. That much is clear from the Bible.
Whether or not someone can enter the Kingdom of God depends upon their conduct.

Dont ask me why God does anything. You may get your opportunity to ask him yourself one day.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Christ died for the sins of the world. That much is clear from the Bible.
Whether or not someone can enter the Kingdom of God depends upon their conduct.

Dont ask me why God does anything. You may get your opportunity to ask him yourself one day.

By 'conduct' you mean 'works'?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
By 'conduct' you mean 'works'?

John 5
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
John 5
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; [b]those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]

As Paul writes if you believe but your sin is not what you desire then it is not your sin. So all of your deeds will be good deeds while those who do not believe will have worthless deeds to rely upon.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
John 5
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the [b]good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]

What about those who did 'some' evil deeds, but mostly 'good' deeds? 🙂

Originally posted by chaney3
What about those who did 'some' evil deeds, but mostly 'good' deeds? 🙂

That is how we'd judge it from our perspective. Break out the scales. God does not say this, only good and evil.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
John 5
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the [b]good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, which means everyone has at least some evil deeds.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, which means everyone has at least some evil deeds.

On their own everyone burns.

Originally posted by chaney3
What about those who did 'some' evil deeds, but mostly 'good' deeds? 🙂

With the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth, it isn't about "mostly". It's about one or the other:

Luke 6
43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush.

With Jesus, an individual is either a "good tree" or a "bad tree".

"Good trees" do NOT produce "bad fruit".

"Bad trees" do NOT produce "good fruit".

With Jesus, ultimately it's about transformation. Transformation from a "bad tree" to a "good tree" which only bears "good fruit". It's up to the individual to transform oneself from a "bad tree" to a "good tree".

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
With the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth, it isn't about "mostly". It's about one or the other:

Luke 6
[b]43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from ...[text shortened]... "good fruit". It's up to the individual to transform oneself from a "bad tree" to a "good tree".[/b]

Only good trees are branches of Jesus.

If you want to read about it, John 15