Originally posted by Rajk999God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that those who believe in him should have eternal life.
I asked you just a couple hrs ago:
I would be very interested in seeing reference to support your view that Jesus died for sinners who believe in him and not all sinners.
Did you provide any?
Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
Originally posted by EladarThose who believe will have eternal life.
God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that those who believe in him should have eternal life.
Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
How does that equate to your statement that Christ died for only those who believe. Bear in mind that that Bible says that Christ died FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
Originally posted by Rajk999You have just stated that some people are doomed to hell, from birth.
Those who believe will have eternal life.
How does that equate to your statement that Christ died for only those who believe. Bear in mind that that Bible says that Christ died FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
Now you are saying that Christ died for the sins of the world. Are those people not part of the 'world'?
Hopefully you will also address my question on the previous page as to why God would create a human, knowing his destiny has already been pre-determined to go directly to hell for eternity.
Originally posted by chaney3Christ died for the sins of the world. That much is clear from the Bible.
You have just stated that some people are doomed to hell, from birth.
Now you are saying that Christ died for the sins of the world. Are those people not part of the 'world'?
Hopefully you will also address my question on the previous page as to why God would create a human, knowing his destiny has already been pre-determined to go directly to hell for eternity.
Whether or not someone can enter the Kingdom of God depends upon their conduct.
Dont ask me why God does anything. You may get your opportunity to ask him yourself one day.
Originally posted by Rajk999By 'conduct' you mean 'works'?
Christ died for the sins of the world. That much is clear from the Bible.
Whether or not someone can enter the Kingdom of God depends upon their conduct.
Dont ask me why God does anything. You may get your opportunity to ask him yourself one day.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkJohn 5
By 'conduct' you mean 'works'?
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneAs Paul writes if you believe but your sin is not what you desire then it is not your sin. So all of your deeds will be good deeds while those who do not believe will have worthless deeds to rely upon.
John 5
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; [b]those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhat about those who did 'some' evil deeds, but mostly 'good' deeds? 🙂
John 5
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the [b]good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneAll have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, which means everyone has at least some evil deeds.
John 5
. 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the [b]good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]
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Originally posted by chaney3With the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth, it isn't about "mostly". It's about one or the other:
What about those who did 'some' evil deeds, but mostly 'good' deeds? 🙂
Luke 6
43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush.
With Jesus, an individual is either a "good tree" or a "bad tree".
"Good trees" do NOT produce "bad fruit".
"Bad trees" do NOT produce "good fruit".
With Jesus, ultimately it's about transformation. Transformation from a "bad tree" to a "good tree" which only bears "good fruit". It's up to the individual to transform oneself from a "bad tree" to a "good tree".
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneOnly good trees are branches of Jesus.
With the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth, it isn't about "mostly". It's about one or the other:
Luke 6
[b]43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from ...[text shortened]... "good fruit". It's up to the individual to transform oneself from a "bad tree" to a "good tree".[/b]
If you want to read about it, John 15