Jesus camp - Netflix.

Originally posted by RBHILL
325 M in the USA.
10% are Atheists.
2% of total population is Gay.

So that means 6.5 of Atheists are Gay out of the 32.5 M making the Gay population of atheists 20%

You fail at maths, logic, rationality, relevancy, and grammar...

Also, facts... The percentage of neither atheists nor homosexuals is known that accurately.

Originally posted by RBHILL
This may come as a shock to you. But honestly I don't care what people do inside of their own home and not flaunt it out in public. I don't even like seeing straight people kiss in public. Honestly the only place is at the airport I don't mind. To legalize homosexuality would be nice but how about a trade off of having no parades.

You do know that homosexuality IS legal [in the civilised world and the USA]
and has been for quite some time?

Also, remember to tell the kids to get off your lawn!

Originally posted by googlefudge
You fail at maths, logic, rationality, relevancy, and grammar...

Also, facts... The percentage of neither atheists nor homosexuals is known that accurately.

I obviously know how to do math. I used a calculator. And I even got the highest grade in math 3 at my junior college and there were even Asians in the class.

Romans 1:18-32 this is the reason why you think homosexuality is moral. Atheists don't have morals they are rude to all religious people and that's not being moral.

Originally posted by RBHILL
I obviously know how to do math. I used a calculator. And I even got the highest grade in math 3 at my junior college and there were even Asians in the class.

Romans 1:18-32 this is the reason why you think homosexuality is moral. Atheists don't have morals they are rude to all religious people and that's not being moral.

A calculator will [usually] correctly perform the operations you ask it to perform...

It doesn't magically get you to input the correct calculations however.

If 10% of the population are atheists.
And If 2% of the population are gay.
Then, without some reason to suppose that there is any link that would cause
gay people to be atheists or atheists to be gay [and there is none known].
The expected percentage of atheists that are gay is 2%.

Exactly the same as the general population.

If I have 10,000 coloured marbles, 200 [2%] of which are red,
the remaining 9,800 [98%] are blue, representing the proportion
you claim are gay in the general population.

And you then randomly select 1,000 marbles to represent the 10% of the
population who are atheists [according to you].

Then you would expect on average to get 980 blue marbles [98%] and 20 red marbles [2%]

What you were suggesting is that ALL 200 red marbles are picked, giving 800 blue [80%]
and 200 red [20%]

Which would correspond in reality to every single gay person being an atheist.

This is not true.


I still have no idea of the point you were trying to make, but whatever it was your
argument probably didn't make it very well due to being completely mathematically wrong.

isa. 5:20

Originally posted by RBHILL
isa. 5:20

I don't see how that's applicable to anything.

This isn't a random quotes thread you know.

Originally posted by RBHILL
This may come as a shock to you. But honestly I don't care what people do inside of their own home and not flaunt it out in public. I don't even like seeing straight people kiss in public. Honestly the only place is at the airport I don't mind. To legalize homosexuality would be nice but how about a trade off of having no parades.

I love seeing people kiss in public. I'd much rather see people kissing than arguing. And no, I'm not talking about the kind of near-pornographic lip-lock you might chance upon now and then. I'm talking about the clear expression of love between two people, be they heterosexual or homosexual. I look away when they catch me looking, but I still smile, safe in the knowledge that love does indeed still exist.

Wow, I just realized that sounds kind of sad, doesn't it? I didn't mean it quite that way, though. 🙂

Originally posted by googlefudge
A calculator will [usually] correctly perform the operations you ask it to perform...

It doesn't magically get you to input the correct calculations however.

If 10% of the population are atheists.
And If 2% of the population are gay.
Then, without some reason to suppose that there is any link that would cause
gay people to be atheists or atheis ...[text shortened]... your
argument probably didn't make it very well due to being completely mathematically wrong.

I love it when you're 100% right. Your posts are lucid and easy to follow.

But this is logic and math, something it's very easy to be right on, despite some who find it as "infernally difficult" as some people find spelling. 😉

But I often argue with you, simply because the topics we argue about do not lend themselves to the kinds of 100% surety that you display here. And so you get some things wrong when expounding on things you know nothing about, like faith. Try as you might to apply all the rules you are familiar with to faith, they simply do not apply in the same fashion, but you try to "shoehorn" them in, anyways.

When you know what you're talking about, you are often 100% right. And even 98% right is more than most people manage.

But, like others who attempt to speak authoritatively on things they know nothing about, like some do with math, like you do with faith, you fail just as badly as they do.

And that's okay, really. I'm not "calling you out" on it, just bringing you back to earth a little bit. 🙂

Originally posted by googlefudge
I don't see how that's applicable to anything.

This isn't a random quotes thread you know.

Not entirely "random", as the word is usually used.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" -- Isaiah 5:20, KJV

He's probably talking about homosexuality and how it is considered a sin throughout the Bible. Verses like this give people justification for treating other people badly, even though this verse doesn't mention homosexuality specifically, it just kind of lumps all things considered evil into the same basket. I'm sure Isaiah 5 has been mentioned in plenty of sermons about the evils of the world and how this doesn't jive with the holyness of God. And these people who protest against homosexuals trot out Isaiah 5:20 specifically a lot.

So not exactly random, but I also see you are of the opinion that it means nothing.

Personally, I feel that in this Age of Grace, Christians should concern themselves first with bringing people of all stripes to God, and then those that commit to God can work these kinds of things out for themselves. I kind of feel that disenfranchising people from the love of Christ's salvation just for being homosexual is just as bad as disenfranchising them from a job for being disabled. That's not what the love of Christ is about, not at all. We need to be inclusive and not exclusive.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I love it when you're 100% right. Your posts are lucid and easy to follow.

But this is logic and math, something it's very easy to be right on, despite some who find it as "infernally difficult" as some people find spelling. 😉

But I often argue with you, simply because the topics we argue about do not lend themselves to the kinds of 100% surety tha ...[text shortened]... kay, really. I'm not "calling you out" on it, just bringing you back to earth a little bit. 🙂

Mr googlefudge reminds me of that robot guy on Star Trek.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I love it when you're 100% right. Your posts are lucid and easy to follow.

But this is logic and math, something it's very easy to be right on, despite some who find it as "infernally difficult" as some people find spelling. 😉

But I often argue with you, simply because the topics we argue about do not lend themselves to the kinds of 100% surety tha ...[text shortened]... kay, really. I'm not "calling you out" on it, just bringing you back to earth a little bit. 🙂

Obviously 6 1/2 million is 2% of the 325 million in the US population so that means 6.5 million of homosexuals are gay and that intern is 20% of the 10% population of homosexuals. And if you do math right 10% of the population is 32 1/2 million. So 6.5 million is 20% of 32 1/2 million.

Maybe you only understand common core math so that's why you don't get it.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Obviously 6 1/2 million is 2% of the 325 million in the US population so that means 6.5 million of homosexuals are gay and that intern is 20% of the 10% population of homosexuals. And if you do math right 10% of the population is 32 1/2 million. So 6.5 million is 20% of 32 1/2 million.

Maybe you only understand common core math so that's why you don't get it.

Ok, lets try this again. [and note I will use your numbers for maths purposes but I don't
otherwise accept these numbers are actually accurate]

There is no evidence I know of that indicates that homosexuals are any more
likely to be atheists than members of the general population.

So, when we want to estimate the number of homosexuals in the atheist population
we do it like this...

325 million people total.

10% are atheists [32.5 million], and 90% are theists [292.5 million]

2% are homosexuals [6.5 million], and 98% are heterosexuals [318.5 million]

The number of people who are atheists AND homosexuals is 2% of 10% [0.65 million]

The number of people who are theists AND homosexuals is 2% of 90% [5.85 million]

So 2% of atheists AND 2% of theists are homosexuals...


Now I don't know if this is true, it might be that homosexuals might be less likely to
be religious [given they get persecuted by the religious this wouldn't necessarily be
surprising] than the general population.

But I have no evidence that that is actually the case, and to do any calculation we
would need to know how much less likely it is that homosexuals are theists compared
to the general population.


And I really wouldn't recommend criticising others about their maths abilities if I were you.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well there are two problems with this.

One, a person 'trying' something is only bad if the thing they are 'trying' is bad.
Homosexuality isn't morally bad, and thus 'trying it' if you feel so inclined is also not bad.

Two, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN REALITY.
Your nutty paranoid delusions aside, all the evidence ...[text shortened]... is are horrific and a terrible indictment of
the rabid homophobia of our mainstream religions.

'LGBTQ' .. is that " Lesbian,gay,bisexual and trans quender"?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
'LGBTQ' .. is that " Lesbian,gay,bisexual and trans quender"?

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans, Queer.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans, Queer.

queer - I thought that meant gay or lesbian