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Originally posted by rwingettOn first glance, it appears to be a secular version of Jesus Camp, abstractly indistinguishable with respect to conducting inappropriate indoctrination and brainwashing under the guise of a fun camp.
Because of the exclusionist policies of the Boy Scouts, an alternate, secular scouting organization has been started up, called Camp Quest.
http://michigan.camp-quest.com/
As it says on their home page, it's open "to the children of Freethinkers, Humanists, Agnostics, Atheists, or however people choose to describe their naturalistic (not supernatural ration of religion and government guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.[/i]
Whatever happened to just letting the kids run around and enjoy the summer? Can't they cultivate their skills of rational inquiry and constitutional analysis during the school year?
I'd have to know if they make the kids bow before Marx or Clinton in order to speak with more confidence on the subject. If I had to evaluate the degree of brainwashing and indoctrination in the absence of this key piece of information, I would suppose the methods used here would be slightly less extreme than those employed by the leaders of Jesus Camp. although that would make them no less despicable.
Originally posted by lucifershammerIs protecting children a trait exclusive of a Secular State? Obviously not.
Because your initial suggestions came quite close to what one might expect from a Secularist State.
Is protecting a citizen from future harm a trait exclusive of a Secular State? Obviously not.
Laicist state doesn't mean amoral state, only that (in a democracy) it aggregates the morality of all its citizens without discriminating for religion.
Like I said, Portugal is a laicist state constitutionally, but has a treaty (done by the elected government in the name of its voters) with the Vatican.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThe website for Camp Quest of Minnesota states:
On first glance, it appears to be a secular version of Jesus Camp, abstractly indistinguishable with respect to conducting inappropriate indoctrination and brainwashing under the guise of a fun camp.
Whatever happened to just letting the kids run around and enjoy the summer? Can't they cultivate their skills of rational inquiry and constituti ...[text shortened]... those employed by the leaders of Jesus Camp. although that would make them no less despicable.
Camp Quest’s purpose is to build a strong, healthy community among the youth participants. In addition to fun camp activities such as swimming, canoeing, fishing, archery, campfires, stargazing, and outdoor sports, Camp Quest’s knowledgeable counselors and guest volunteers will lead the youth in learning activities that teach them about freethought and humanist principals. Activities cover critical thinking, science, history, civics, and ethics. Campers develop and improve their rational thinking skills in fun, hands-on learning activities and programs.
Camp Quest of the Smoky Mountains lists the following activities:
* Salamander Hunting
* Invisible Pink Unicorn Hunt
* Philosophy Cafe
* Campfire making
* Tree species identification
* Bird watching
* Learning survival techniques
* Team-building activities
* Nature hikes
* Dodge ball
* Swimming
* Learning to play recorder
* Campfires
* Sing-alongs
* Photography
* Communication Skills
* Freethinker Jeopardy
* Magic Show
* Chess
* Crafts
* Designing blind and double-blind experiments
* And a whole bunch more
Camp Quest Ontario reveals that the 'Quest' stands for:
Q: Question everything
U: Understand logic, fairness, and equality
E: Explore the World
S: Study science, technology and the arts
T: Think for yourself
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Originally posted by rwingettMagic?
* Magic Show
How is this compatible with a camp dedicated to rational inquiry and double-blind experimental design?
Isn't magic as archaic and nonsensical as Catholic doctrine? Do they conduct astrological readings as well, as part of the stargazing activity? Do they also participate in alchemy, converting common metals to gold over the flames of the campfire? Is performing a raindance one of the survival techniques they learn?
I would love to know what songs they do at the sing-alongs. It's probably Imagine over and over again.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThey probably do a few tricks and then examine how they were done. Sort of like Penn and Teller used to do. Penn is a well known atheist in his own right.
Magic?
How is this compatible with a camp dedicated to rational inquiry and double-blind experimental design?
Isn't magic as archaic and nonsensical as Catholic doctrine? Do they conduct astrological readings as well, as part of the stargazing activity? Do they also participate in alchemy, converting common metals to gold over the flames of ...[text shortened]... ove to know what songs they do at the sing-alongs. It's probably Imagine over and over again.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWould calling it an "illusion show" make you feel better?
Magic?
How is this compatible with a camp dedicated to rational inquiry and double-blind experimental design?
Isn't magic as archaic and nonsensical as Catholic doctrine? Do they conduct astrological readings as well, as part of the stargazing activity? Do they also participate in alchemy, converting common metals to gold over the flames of ...[text shortened]... ove to know what songs they do at the sing-alongs. It's probably Imagine over and over again.
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Originally posted by rwingett[/i]Think for yourself ! Sure, as long as you make certain to adopt the usual freethinker dogmas ..... 😛
The website for Camp Quest of Minnesota states:
[i]Camp Quest’s purpose is to build a strong, healthy community among the youth participants. In addition to fun camp activities such as swimming, canoeing, fishing, archery, campfires, stargazing, and outdoor sports, Camp Quest’s knowledgeable counselors and guest volunteers will lead the youth in learning uality
E: Explore the World
S: Study science, technology and the arts
T: Think for yourself