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Spirituality

  1. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 05:53
    There are not a lot of verses and passages in the Bible where Jesus identifies Himself as God but they do exist. Some are fairly direct; others are interesting in their ambiguity.
  2. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 05:55
    Here’s one from the Gospel of Matthew:

    “When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

    And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

    He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

    And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”

    (Matthew 16:13-17)
  3. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 06:05
    And one from the Gospel of John:

    “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

    Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

    Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”

    (John 8:56-59)

    For reference, Abraham, considered the father of the Jews, lived about 2,000 years before Jesus Christ came to earth, so Jesus is clearly saying He (Jesus) existed before Abraham. I think this is why the Jews in this passage took up stones to throw at Jesus - they knew what He was saying.
  4. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 06:16
    This is long, but there are interesting verses set apart from each other and I didn’t want to split up the passage. Key verses, I think, are 25-26 and 42.

    “5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.

    6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

    7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.

    8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

    9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

    10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

    11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

    12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

    13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

    14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

    15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

    16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

    17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

    18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

    19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

    20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

    21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

    22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

    23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

    26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

    27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

    28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,

    29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

    30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.

    31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.

    32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.

    33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?

    34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

    35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

    36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

    37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.

    38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.

    39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

    40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.

    41 And many more believed because of his own word;

    42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.”

    (John 4:5-42)
  5. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 06:24 / 1 edit
    This is a shorter passage...

    “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    I and my Father are one.

    Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.”

    (John 10:27-31)

    Note the last verse says the Jews took up stones *again* to cast at him.
  6. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 06:40
    A passage from early in the Gospel of John:

    “Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

    And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

    Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

    Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

    Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

    Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

    And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.”

    (John 1:45-51)
  7. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 06:48
    “And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?

    When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?

    And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.

    Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

    And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.”

    (Luke 7:19-23)
  8. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 06:55
    This is more an affirmation of Jesus’ deity from God the Father, but Jesus speaks of His Resurrection in this passage:

    “And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

    And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

    And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

    Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

    While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

    And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

    And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

    And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

    And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.”

    (Matthew 17:1-9)
  9. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 07:06
    This is an interesting passage where someone identifies Jesus as the Son of God in response to one of His questions and He does not deny it (slightly more ambiguous than the passage involving Nathaniel and the fig tree.)

    “Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.

    Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

    But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

    Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

    Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

    Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

    She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

    And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.

    As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.”

    (John 11:20-29)
  10. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 07:22
    Another instance where someone identifies Jesus as the Son of God in response to one of His questions and He doesn’t deny it.

    “Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

    Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

    And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

    He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.”

    (John 6:67-71)
  11. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 07:52
    This short passage, where the Jews are seeking to put Jesus to death for “blasphemy,” seems pretty direct:

    “And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

    But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

    And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?

    Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.”

    (Mark 14:60-64)
  12. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 10:56
    Pretty straightforward passage from the Gospel of John:

    “If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

    Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.”

    (John 14:7-11)
  13. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 11:01
    “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

    I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

    His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

    Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

    Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?”

    (John 16:27-31)
  14. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 11:13
    Chapter 17 in the Gospel of John is known as “The High Priestly Prayer” and is worth quoting in full. It may be the greatest chapter in the Gospels and provides real insight into the relationship between God the Father and Jesus the Son.

    “These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

    As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

    Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

    For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

    I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

    And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

    And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

    I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

    They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

    As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

    Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

    O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

    And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

    (John 17)
  15. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    04 Mar '18 11:31
    “All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.”

    (Matthew 11:27)