@kellyjay saidAgain, none of your nonsense doctrine is from the teachings of Christ .. NONE. Jesus will condemn people like you just like he condemned the 'Lord Lord' mouth worshipers. Same way he condemned those who are not of God and all those who like you have found ways to twist the bible so that you do not have to follow the commandments.
That is the difference between us, I can give quotes supporting good works, but it will be as a result of following Christ not getting to have Christ allowing me into the Kingdom of God. We are to lay down our lives, we are to put our faith in Him for His gift of salvation, we need God to give us His righteousness. It is not by works we are saved, but God's grace through faith, and you instead are looking to win God's favor by being good enough by your efforts.
Jesus said : Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. (John 8:51 KJV)
Only those who follow the commandments get the gift of eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Talkers and faith only Satanic people like you get damnation.
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"And this is the testimony, that God gave to us eternal life and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
I have written these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:11-13)
1.) To whom are these sentences written?
Answer: "to you who believe into the name of the Son of God"
2.) Why was it written to these believers ?
Answer: "that you may know that you have eternal life"
3.) Does John want them to hope they have eternal life or KNOW so?
Answer: He wants them to be assured - to know the fact - "that you may know that you have eternal life"
4.) Is this eternal life only a matter of the FUTURE?
Answer: No, it is a matter of the present time also - "that you HAVE eternal life".
5.) Where then IS this eternal life?
Answer: It is in the Son of God. "And this life is in His Son".
6.) Is it possible for them to have the Son yet NOT have the eternal life?
Answer: No. To have the Son is to have the eternal life which is in Him.
"and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life..."
7.) Should the one without the Son - and unbelieving have the same encouragement?
Answer: No. "He who does not have the Son of God does not have the life."
8.) How did God give these believers eternal life?
Answer: By giving them the Son of God - "God gave to us eternal life and this life is in His Son."
9.) Is John encouraging anyone to disobey Jesus or His commands?
Answer: No.
10.) Is John saying that if you do not have the Son yet keep His commands THEN you will have eternal life?
Answer: No. HAVING the Son they HAVE eternal life.
"He who has the Son has the life"
@sonship saidQ Who hath the Son?"And this is the testimony, that God gave to us eternal life and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
I have written these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:11-13)
1.) To ...[text shortened]...
Answer: No. HAVING the Son they HAVE eternal life.
"He who has the Son has the life"
A Those who keep His commandments.
10.) Is John saying that if you do not have the Son yet keep His commands THEN you will have eternal life?
Answer: No. HAVING the Son they HAVE eternal life.
"He who has the Son has the life"
Rajk999 has come here with a teaching that the Atheist who rejects the Son of God yet does good, deeming that he is REALLY about obeying the God who he or she does not believe even EXISTS - will have eternal life.
But the atheist is rejecting the foundational command of both God and the Son. She or he rejects God's existence and any of God's authority, let alone God's love, redemption, and salvation.
This is the replicated error of Cain. He brought before God what HIS opinion was that he should bring.
Abel brought to God what was revealed to his parents what they must bring to approach God - a cattle (representing Christ) and the blood of it for atonement.
It is not insignificant that the Holy Spirit included this record EARLY in Genesis about human history. This was the development of the first man-made religion - Cain's presumption.
Even so, God was merciful with Cain, yet warning him that sin was crouching at his heart ready to overtake and possess him.
[b]"And Jehovah said to Cain, Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up?
And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and his desire is for you, but you must rule over him." (Genesis 4:6,7)
The SIN, the rebel, the opposition enemy of God was fused with both Cain and Abel. Their nature had become corrupt - the whole thing.
Abel offered the offering instructed by revelation to his parents - the blood of a live animal as a symbol of the redemption in the Son of God to come.
Cain, ignored what he had learned from his parents and from what they received from God. He worked hard in the field. Be brought his own efforts to God, not knowing his need to be redeemed by the death of a substitute.
Why is this EARLY story included in the history of the second generation of mankind? It is foundational to the whole rest of the divine revelation of the Bible.
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@sonship saidUtter nonsense. Your understanding of what it means to reject Christ is that of a child. Your interpretation of what was Cain's flaw is similarly retarded. Your rejection of Christ is more fatal. You reject Christ with your heart, whereas an atheist [who follows the commandments] rejects Christ with their mouth. You are destined for damnation but the atheist will face judgment.10.) Is John saying that if you do not have the Son yet keep His commands THEN you will have eternal life?
Answer: No. HAVING the Son they HAVE eternal life.
"He who has the Son has the life"
Rajk999 has come here with a teaching that the Atheist who rejects the Son of God yet does good, deeming that he is REALLY about obeying the ...[text shortened]... generation of mankind? It is foundational to the whole rest of the divine revelation of the Bible.
Here is the true story of Cain [not that convoluted mouth worshiping church nonsense you posted]
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. (1 John 3:7-12 KJV)
Cain's works were evil while Abel's works were righteous
Cain was a child of Satan and Abel was a child of God
You have much in common with Cain.
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And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. (1 John 3:7-12 KJV)
The righteous act there, o blind one, is that by faith Abel offered a better sacrifice.
Hebrews 11:4 tells us.
By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice that Cain.
He just did what he was told by his parents to do. Offer a slain animal that had blood. He followed the revelation from God to his parents. And it became the "more excellent sacrifice" because it was obedience by FAITH.
Cain invented his own way. He offered the good works that he produced. While they were necessary for living they were not adequate for approaching God.
"By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous.
God testifying to his gifts ; and through death, though he has died, he still speaks. (v.4)
Religion hates faith.
Religion opposes the seekers of God.
The first religious person murdered the true seeker of God, offering to God what God required for his acceptance according to God's standard.
Cain, in a fit of jealousy and driven to murderous envy of the justified one rose up and killed Abel. Abel's acceptance by God still speaks to us though he died for his simple faith, his simple obedience in faith.
Cain went of as a wandered, homeless, starting the godless world culture. The one that Ghost says is stronger without God.
Cain had no conscience at all about his deed. All he cared about was that divine punishment was too harsh, though God was merciful.
"And Cain said to Jehovah, My punishment is greater than I can bear." (Gen. 4:13)
There was still room for Cain to confess his sin and be forgiven. No, he only complained about the severity of divine punishment.
Prayer: "Lord, my conscience is hard. Lord Jesus, I ask you, soften my conscience. I have no sense of having offended God or having wronged my fellow man. I have no fear of God. I am numb. Lord, if you can soften my conscience, that I may confess and repent and be saved."
@sonship saidShow me where the Bible says
@Rajk999And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. (1 John 3:7-12 KJV)
The righteous act there, o blind one, is that by faith Abel offered a better sacrifice.
Hebrews 11:4 tells us.By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice that Cain.
He just ...[text shortened]... e produced. While they were necessary for living they were not adequate for approaching God.
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..Cain invented his own way. He offered the good works that he produced.
@sonship saidI understand totally. Nowhere does the bible say that Cain's works were good. In fact it says the OPPOSITE.
@Rajk999
You're not talking to me.
I don't jump at your command to show you anything.
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. (1 John 3:12 KJV)
Thats is the story of your doctrine. The bible says abc, you say NO ... its xyz. You are loser sonship.
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@rajk999 saidI have given you scripture for just about every point I have ever made to you for years. Moreover, the scripture I do present to you is typically on the points that are under discussion. I have never said we are not to do good works! So, if you are want to suggest otherwise please back that up with something more tangible than just a claim. That way, everyone can then know it isn't just deceptive unverifiable claims by you.
Again, none of your nonsense doctrine is from the teachings of Christ .. NONE. Jesus will condemn people like you just like he condemned the 'Lord Lord' mouth worshipers. Same way he condemned those who are not of God and all those who like you have found ways to twist the bible so that you do not have to follow the commandments.
Jesus said : [i]Verily, verily, I say u ...[text shortened]... f eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Talkers and faith only Satanic people like you get damnation.
The thing about the Gospel is that it is Jesus Christ-centered, God sent Jesus because He loved the world, Jesus came to die for sinners, while we were yet sinners He died for us. He is our redeemer, and the doctrine of the work turns that into Jesus came to just tell us what to do so we can get right with God if we do enough. We cannot do enough to obligate God to us, we cannot get good enough, but the Son of God dying for our sins, His shed blood can! After that we live for Him, we abide in Him and He in us!
We cannot justify ourselves before God, maybe other men sure we can impress man while we hide from them what we don't want them to see, the thing with God He is God, and there is nothing hidden from Him. We are all sinners, but if you think you can earn your way into God's favor, you are attempting to justify yourself before God and man by works. People may see your efforts and proclaim you are righteous, but it isn't man who matters. We are only justified by God, not by human effort because being washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God are all acts of God, not man's efforts.
Romans 5:
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Luke 16:
And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
1 Corinthians 6
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
@kellyjay saidI dont know what you ranting and raving about. Jesus said to do good works and to live righteously. Those who follow His commandments will get eternal life. Its that simple. So keep your church nonsense to yourself. Your church doctrine is the road to damnation. If you are looking for friends to go to hell with then I dont plan to accompany you. You are on your own.
I have given you scripture for just about every point I have ever made to you for years. Moreover, the scripture I do present to you is typically on the points that are under discussion. I have never said we are not to do good works! So, if you are want to suggest otherwise please back that up with something more tangible than just a claim. That way, everyone can then know i ...[text shortened]... re sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
@rajk999 saidWe are told to put our faith in Jesus Christ, we are to receive the Spirit of God, we are to lay down our lives picking up our crosses and follow Him. In all of that good works are going to be done, you cannot love someone and not take care of their needs if you feel otherwise it isn't love. The works to get good enough doctrine puts our efforts to please God before the blood of Jesus Christ to cleans us of our sins, good works don't remove guilt, neither can it justify the wicked. Jesus does that it is a work of God not man! You are simply showing ignorance of complaining about church doctrine when you cannot name the church or its doctrine I have, and to suggest it is of the devil when all I do is quote scripture to you puts you in a bad light.
I dont know what you ranting and raving about. Jesus said to do good works and to live righteously. Those who follow His commandments will get eternal life. Its that simple. So keep your church nonsense to yourself. Your church doctrine is the road to damnation. If you are looking for friends to go to hell with then I dont plan to accompany you. You are on your own.
@kellyjay saidThanks, but no thanks.
We are told to put our faith in Jesus Christ, we are to receive the Spirit of God, we are to lay down our lives picking up our crosses and follow Him. In all of that good works are going to be done, you cannot love someone and not take care of their needs if you feel otherwise it isn't love. The works to get good enough doctrine puts our efforts to please God before the bloo ...[text shortened]... , and to suggest it is of the devil when all I do is quote scripture to you puts you in a bad light.
Your Satanic doctrine is not for me.
@kellyjay saidYou are a jack$ass. That is what I'm saying. If you cannot understand what I write when many others do then you are a very stupid man.
I saying Jesus Christ crucified is what cleanse us from sin, and you are calling that a Satanic doctrine?