05 Sep '08 17:00>1 edit
For those of you who think that I am some kind of ToO stalker it's time to put the record straight. To me ToO's view of Jesus is very dangerous. It encourages perfectionism , denigrates the grace of God and is not consistent.
The main problem with it is that he thinks he can take a slice out of Jesus's words and dismiss or ignore the rest. This is blatant intellectual dishonesty because the idea that he is the Son of the Living God who came to die for sins CANNOT be separated from his teachings. It's an obvious manipulation of the truth. ToO seeks to saw Jesus in half and throw the other half away.
So what gets me is the intellectual dishonesty and manipulation of Jesus to suit some 'pick and mix' position that fits his warped agenda for revenge on Christians who have treated him badly.
So basically this makes me queezy shall we say , that someone should use Jesus to try to take revenge on Christianity and Christians whilst at the same time claiming the moral high ground.
This is no laughing matter , it just has to be challenged and the real motives and beliefs have to be revealed.
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"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -- on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg -- or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." CS LEWIS
The main problem with it is that he thinks he can take a slice out of Jesus's words and dismiss or ignore the rest. This is blatant intellectual dishonesty because the idea that he is the Son of the Living God who came to die for sins CANNOT be separated from his teachings. It's an obvious manipulation of the truth. ToO seeks to saw Jesus in half and throw the other half away.
So what gets me is the intellectual dishonesty and manipulation of Jesus to suit some 'pick and mix' position that fits his warped agenda for revenge on Christians who have treated him badly.
So basically this makes me queezy shall we say , that someone should use Jesus to try to take revenge on Christianity and Christians whilst at the same time claiming the moral high ground.
This is no laughing matter , it just has to be challenged and the real motives and beliefs have to be revealed.
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"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -- on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg -- or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." CS LEWIS