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Not sure what translation you are using but here is the NKJV of Micah 5:2:
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Your preferred translation ?
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”
[F]rom everlasting amounts to from eternity.
I will look at a few other Hebrew to English versions though out of curiosity.
My God is the man Jesus Christ.
Is your God the man Jesus Christ too ?
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Our God is the man Jesus Christ the Son of God. And I also believe that this One said "We will come to him and make an abode with him".
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
So this divine "We" is rather mysterious. Jesus is God become a man and the Father and Son come into us as the Divine We to make an abode with the lovers of Christ.
No confusion - but sweet enjoyable communion with God and with one another. Amen?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBobs I have no problem with your commentary, yes Jesus clearly had a pre human existence.
robbie, it's my hope that this commentary will shed additional light on the significance of the statement in John 8:58 and would encourage you to read its remaining pages. If you wish, I'll be glad to present them here in three installments. Regards, Bob
[b]The Preexistence of Jesus Christ
"John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say ...[text shortened]... s)
http://www.wenstrom.org/downloads/written/doctrines/christology/preexistence_of_christ.pdf[/b]
Originally posted by Ghost of a Dukewow talk about regurgitating old waffle, you are parroting the very same criticism that Pliny reiterated to Trajan that the Christians were targeting the weak and vulnerable. Its was a piece of nonsense then and its a piece of codswallop now.
You are Borg sir. You do the assimilating! (Invariably of the naive and vulnerable).
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyrobbie, here a relevant statement by the same pastor/teacher which may also be of interest:
robbie, it's my hope that this commentary will shed additional light on the significance of the statement in John 8:58 and would encourage you to read its remaining pages. If you wish, I'll be glad to present them here in three installments. Regards, Bob
The Preexistence of Jesus Christ
"John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to ...[text shortened]... pages)
http://www.wenstrom.org/downloads/written/doctrines/christology/preexistence_of_christ.pdf
2) "Trinity: We believe that God is a Trinity of 3 Persons, namely, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit who are all co-equal, co-infinite and co-eternal. Each person of the Trinity has the same attributes, perfections, and authority. (Deut 6:4; 2Cor 13:14)."
3) "Total Depravity of Man: We believe that man is created in the image of God but as a result of Adam's original sin of disobedience in the garden of Eden, the entire human race receives a totally corrupt and depraved nature. Every member of the human race is born physically alive but spiritually dead meaning they are separated from God. This totally depraved state of man qualifies him for grace. Grace is all that God is free to do based solely on the merits of the Person and Work of Christ. Man has absolutely no ability to redeem himself or restore his relationship with God (Rom 3:22-23, 5:12-17; Eph 2:12)."
4) "Person and Work of Christ: We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became a human being while maintaining His divine nature. He is undiminished deity and true humanity in one Person forever (John 1:14; 1 Tim. 3:16; Col. 1:15, 19; 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 1:3; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 2:14; 1 John 1:1-2; 4:2; 2 John 1:7). He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary to reveal God, fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law, redeem the entire human race, and resolve the ancient pre-historic war between God and the fallen angels by the total defeat of Satan. We believe that Jesus Christ fully accomplished redemption for the entire human race through His voluntary, substitutionary, spiritual death on the cross (Col. 1:13-14; Eph. 1:7).
The Father was propitiated by this death of the impeccable humanity of Christ in hypostatic union and therefore accepted the total outpouring of His Son's human soul unto death, which was the result of His substitutionary spiritual death (Isa 53:9-12; cf. 1 John. 2:2). Christ's death also reconciled the entire human race to God (2 Cor. 5:18-21; Eph. 2:14-16; Col. 1:22; 1 Pet. 2:24). The Father's acceptance of His death demonstrated by the literal physical resurrection of the humanity of Christ from the dead (Luke 1:35; Joh 1:1; Rom 3:24-26; 4:24-25; 1Cor 15:1-4; 2 Cor 5:21; Heb 9:22; 13:20-21; 1Pet 1:3-5, 18-20, 2:24, 3:18). Furthermore, we believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has been promoted to the highest rank position in the government of God, over the entire cosmos and has supreme power and authority over it since He is now seated at the right hand of the Father (Phlp. 2:6-11). At the right hand of the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ is the church age believer's Great High Priest, acting as both intercessor and advocate for believers.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the indisputable and acknowledged Head of the Church, which is His body. He will return to crush all the enemies of God who are rebellion against Him (Rom 8:34; Eph 1:19-23; Heb 7:25-27; 1 John 1:1-2). He has the authority to conduct the judgment of all unbelievers at the conclusion of human history (Rev. 20:11-15) as well as the evaluation of all church age believers (1 Cor. 3:11-15; 2 Cor. 5:10), and the evaluation of all regenerate Israel (Ezek. 20:37-38; Zech. 13:8-9; Mal. 3:2-3, 5; Matt. 25:1-30)."
5) "Person and Work of the Spirit: We believe that the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, is a person not a force (John. 14:26; 16:13-15). He convicts the world of the sin of unbelief (John. 16:7-14), restrains evil from its ultimate manifestation (2 Thess. 2:6-7), glorifies Christ and guides believers into all truth (John 16:7-14). The Holy Spirit makes the Word of God understandable to the believer (1 Cor. 2:10-16). We believe that at the moment a person exercises faith alone in Christ, the omnipotence of God the Holy Spirit places that person in an eternal union with Christ, thus identifying the believer with Christ in His death and resurrection positionally (1 Cor. 12:12-13; Ga. 3:26-28), which forms the basis for experiential sanctification. God the Holy Spirit also permanently indwells (1 Cor. 3:16), seals (Eph. 1:13), and regenerates each believer (John. 3:1-8; Titus 3:3-5). He guides and empowers the believer to do the will of the Father (Eph. 5:18; Philp. 2:13) It is the responsibility of each believer to be filled by means of the Spirit (Eph. 5:18) and to walk by means of the Spirit (Gal. 5:17). The believer is prohibited from either quenching (1 Thess. 5:19), or grieving Him (Eph. 4:30)."
6) "Salvation: We believe that eternal salvation is received by the sinner who makes the non-meritorious decision to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Christ's accomplished redemption on the cross provided man's reconciliation to God. (John 3:15-16; 5:24; 6:40, 47; 20:31; Act 16:31; Rom 3:24-25; 5:11, 16; 2Cor 5:18-21; Eph 2:8-9)." http://www.wenstrom.org/modules.php name=StaticText&pagename=what_we_believe
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Originally posted by sonshipwhy are you pagans making my thread a place for your idolatry? Either stick to the text at hand or ill be forced to whip you out of here like the Christ whipped the corrupt money changers from the temple of his father.
Distinct but not separate is usually how I have learned to put it.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBobs your text does not support the premises they are intended to. For example the trinity is not supported by 2 Corinthians 13:14 or Deuteronomy 6:4. These I understand are a set of beliefs which is fine but if they cannot be substantiated by the sacred text then we must dismiss them as extra Biblical, logically, rationally and reasonably, surely?
robbie, here a relevant statement by the same pastor/teacher which may also be of interest:
2) [b]"Trinity: We believe that God is a Trinity of 3 Persons, namely, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit who are all co-equal, co-infinite and co-eternal. Each person of the Trinity has the same attributes, perfections, and authority. (D ...[text shortened]... 18-21; Eph 2:8-9)." http://www.wenstrom.org/modules.php name=StaticText&pagename=what_we_believe[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThen, robbie, let's agree to disagree for the moment and revisit any and all remaining differences
Bobs your text does not support the premises they are intended to. For example the trinity is not supported by 2 Corinthians 13:14 or Deuteronomy 6:4. These I understand are a set of beliefs which is fine but if they cannot be substantiated by the sacred text then we must dismiss them as extra Biblical, logically, rationally and reasonably, surely?
following my presentation of the John 8:58 commentary. Okay?