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John 8:58

John 8:58

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I have become curious enough to examine with whom you meet, if you do.

In response I told you the address of where you can find me meeting. And I can follow it with a statement of faith if you want one.

Time to come out of the foggy generalities and let me look at some of your influences.

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With whom then do you meet? And please do not be further evasive.
I have been 100% transparent with YOU.

Further influences on my beliefs -

http://localchurches.org/beliefs/index.html



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It's intellectual sleight of hand. You have an ideological point - in this case it's "the trinity" - and you coin another word that means more or less the same thing - in this case it's "coinherence" - and then each word is kind of presented as 'evidence' that the other word is valid or referring to something valid - and then you've got yet another word that's been coined - in this case it's "homoousios" - and that ALSO means more or less the same thing - but, whoah... watch out, now there are THREE words that refer to the ideological point - now you're REALLY up against it ... THREE bits of jargon in your face - oh no, wait a minute, spoke too early... there's "perichoretic coactivity" too... ANOTHER word that means more or less the same thing... surely you're going to back down now and accept that if "the trinity" has all these vocabulary items that are synonymous with it, YOU must be wrong to reject it! Four words matey... smell the technocratic glove!

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I get that.

Are you ashamed to link me onto any potential site that significantly reviews your kinds of beliefs about the Christian faith?

I also meet with family and friends.
I linked you to a statement of faith in case anyone would want to get below these generalities.

Would you respond in kind please?
Practically, how can someone find out what kind of beliefs are being taught in your gatherings with friends and family?


Originally posted by sonship
I get that.

Are you ashamed to link me onto any potential site that significantly reviews your kinds of beliefs about the Christian faith?

I also meet with family and friends.
I linked you to a statement of faith in case anyone would want to get below these generalities.

Would you respond in kind please?
Practically, how can someone find out what kind of beliefs are being taught in your gatherings with friends and family?
Are you seriously saying that with your interest in theology you have never come across any sites ~ or been interested to look for them and at them ~ that reject the ideology of the 'Trinity'? That seems odd.

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Originally posted by FMF
It's intellectual sleight of hand. You have an ideological point - in this case it's [b]"the trinity" - and you coin another word that means more or less the same thing - in this case it's "coinherence" - and then each word is kind of presented as 'evidence' that the other word is valid or referring to something valid - and then you've got yet another ...[text shortened]... ymous with it, YOU must be wrong to reject it! Four words matey... smell the technocratic glove![/b]
sounds like this was intended for me rather than a response to Divegeester. .


Originally posted by sonship
sounds like this was intended for me rather than a response to Divegeester. .
It's for divegeester, but you should read it too.

divegeester, I've sent you a voice note. πŸ™‚


Originally posted by sonship
With whom then do you meet? And please do not be further evasive.
I have been 100% transparent with YOU.

Further influences on my beliefs -

http://localchurches.org/beliefs/index.html
This is utter creepiness harnessed to argumentum ad populum.

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I don't have a link as I don't subscribe to a denomination,


I didn't say you did subscribe to a denomination.
I asked if Oneness Pentacostal could describe your views.

You may call me a Trinitarian of you wish.


sect or cult -


Again. I didn't say you necessarily did.
I get all this - You're just a Christian with a Bible.
I got that.

Now some practicalities.
For people interested do you subscribe to any statement of faith?
Doesn't mean you brandish a label.


and why on earth would I be ashamed of what i believe?


Then you're not ashamed and if someone were interested in learning more about your gatherings and what is likely taught there, they could find out by ... ?

Are you saying only by personal one on one word of mouth with you I can find out ?

If you're not ashamed to say "These folks have really helped me form my views" then there is no need to act like it.


Everything I believe about god is positive, non-exclusive,


I didn't say it was negative nor exclusive.
Do you have a statement of faith that you recommend if someone were interested to fellowship with your gatherings ?

That is not a question of what is your denomination.
It is a question asking exactly what is stated about practicalities.
Please answer.


straightforward and honest. Just ask ask me what you would like to know and I'll try to tell you best I can.


I want to see some of the sources that influence your arguing with me about the trinity. And please don't just say "the Bible."

No position would be the easiest to defend.
But non-evasion calls for some more likely specifics.
I have "just asked" so now you can answer.

"Statement of Faith" anywhere ?

Here's one I would trade with you with no hesitation:


Our Beliefs
Our Standing
Our Mission
Our Hope
Concerning the Recovery
Concerning Salvation
Concerning Christian Life
Concerning the Church Life
FAQs
A Word of Testimony


See http://localchurches.org/beliefs/index.html

No big mystery.


Originally posted by sonship
Then you're not ashamed and if someone were interested in learning more about your gatherings and what is likely taught there, they could find out by ... ?

Are you saying only by personal one on one word of mouth with you I can find out ?

If you're not ashamed to say "These folks have really helped me form my views" then there is no need to act like it.
This comes across as really creepy, and joylessly so, sonship.

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Originally posted by FMF
This comes across as really creepy, and joylessly so, sonship.
Point us to your last post in say the last three months that you think expressed your joy.

Link us to ANY post you wrote last week that you think expressed joy on your part.

I'm cracking up just imagining you scrounging around for one.

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Would "Unitarian" theology be a suitable discription of some of your views ?

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